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US soldiers opposed to war now find Canada less hospitable
Associated Press ^ | Jul 12, 2015 4:18 PM EDT | Carolyn Thompson

Posted on 07/12/2015 5:01:30 PM PDT by Olog-hai

When Army Sgt. Patrick Hart decided a decade ago that he would not serve in the war in Iraq, he expected to follow the same path as thousands of American war resisters during the Vietnam era and take refuge across the border.

But after five years of wrangling with the Canadian immigration system, he came back to the U.S.—and ended up in a military prison.

The country that once welcomed war resisters has developed a much different reputation during the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan: Supporters say no U.S. soldier who has sought legal residence in Canada, either as a refugee or on humanitarian grounds, has been successful.

“Nobody’s won,” said Hart, a Buffalo native who exhausted his legal options then turned himself in to the Army, was court-martialed for desertion and sentenced to two years in prison.

There are an estimated two dozen U.S. military members still waiting out their fate in Canada, and the resisters’ movement is seen as nearing a crossroads. …

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TOPICS: Canada; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: deserters; desertion; iraq; patrickhart; rop; runovertocanada
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1 posted on 07/12/2015 5:01:30 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Clowns who are afraid to go to war have no business joining the military. War is what they do.


2 posted on 07/12/2015 5:05:15 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Punish sanctuary cities now! Stop all taxpayer dollars to those joints.)
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To: Olog-hai
The country that once welcomed war resisters

No. It was an administration (Carter) that welcomed war resisters. Most of us Americans thought they were either very questionable or outright despicable.

3 posted on 07/12/2015 5:05:39 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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For one thing it was about conscription back then. Totally different issue.


4 posted on 07/12/2015 5:05:42 PM PDT by bkepley
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To: Olog-hai

Somebody should e-mail this story to Bergdahl.


5 posted on 07/12/2015 5:06:06 PM PDT by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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To: Olog-hai

I think a big difference is that fact that Canada was in Iraq, too. Not so with Viet Nam. Why would they offer sanctuary to Americans who didn’t want to go to Iraq, when Canadians were there, too?


6 posted on 07/12/2015 5:08:00 PM PDT by originalbuckeye ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: Olog-hai

GI Bill benefits for a bad conduct discharge?


7 posted on 07/12/2015 5:08:07 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Olog-hai; Clive; exg; Alberta's Child; albertabound; AntiKev; backhoe; Byron_the_Aussie; ...

Canada Ping!

8 posted on 07/12/2015 5:09:13 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (Will steal your comments & post them on Twitter)
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"But after five years of wrangling with the Canadian immigration system, he came back to the U.S.—and ended up in a military prison."

Empathy module not responding,

9 posted on 07/12/2015 5:10:18 PM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd
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"But after five years of wrangling with the Canadian immigration system, he came back to the U.S.—and ended up in a military prison. "- Ping!

The Worst of Ours Went North and the Best of Theirs Came South.

Wikipedia - In counter-current to the movement of American draft-dodgers and deserters to Canada, about 30,000 Canadians volunteered to fight in southeast Asia. Among the volunteers were fifty Mohawks from the Kahnawake reserve near Montreal.

When my Father was in the Marines in the Early 70's he said he served with a Marine from Canada.

Semper fidelis

10 posted on 07/12/2015 5:11:41 PM PDT by KC_Lion (PLEASE SUPPORT FR. Donate Monthly or Join Club 300! G-d bless you all!)
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To: 17th Miss Regt; Olog-hai

Canadian policy during the Vietnam War was identical to US policy from 1939-1942; draft evaders were allowed to stay while deserters were extradited on request.


11 posted on 07/12/2015 5:12:38 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (Will steal your comments & post them on Twitter)
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To: 17th Miss Regt

Yep, that’s how I saw it. If my number had come up, I would have served.

I despised the Left so much in those days. My folks never had to explain it to me. The Left was so anti-American I couldn’t have possibly joined the Democrat party.


12 posted on 07/12/2015 5:13:45 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Conservatism: Now home to liars too. And we'll support them. Yea... GOPe)
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To: Olog-hai

I guess Cuba’s out now too.


13 posted on 07/12/2015 5:14:44 PM PDT by Sasparilla (If you want peace, prepare for war.)
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““Nobody’s won,” said Hart, a Buffalo native who exhausted his legal options then turned himself in to the Army, was court-martialed for desertion and sentenced to two years in prison.”

In the olden days, deserters would have been shot.


14 posted on 07/12/2015 5:16:42 PM PDT by flaglady47 (The useful idiots always go first)
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To: 17th Miss Regt

jimmy carters very first act as President was to forgive and grant amnesty to the Viet Nam war draft dodgers. I never forgave him for that.


15 posted on 07/12/2015 5:17:26 PM PDT by phil1750 (Love like you've never been hurt;Dance like nobody's watching;PRAY like it's your last prayer)
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To: Squawk 8888
Canadian policy during the Vietnam War was identical to US policy from 1939-1942; draft evaders were allowed to stay while deserters were extradited on request.

Excellent post, big difference of being Drafted vs. signing up for the money.

16 posted on 07/12/2015 5:26:25 PM PDT by hadaclueonce (It is not heaven, it is Iowa. Everyone gets a "Corn Check")
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To: DoughtyOne

... If my number had come up, I would have served...

My number was under the magic 196 on 12/01/69. They drafted to 195.

Didnt matter because I joined USN 6/68.


17 posted on 07/12/2015 5:31:29 PM PDT by Sasparilla (If you want peace, prepare for war.)
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18 posted on 07/12/2015 5:36:29 PM PDT by Mr. Peabody
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In 1969, I drew at 352.

I didn’t volunteer. I could see what the Left was doing and I knew they’d lose us the war. It seemed to me to be a lost effort and I didn’t want to be a part of it.

God I hated the Left in those days. Today it’s even worse.

I focus a lot of that anger on Jane Fonda. Here, Kerry, and other of their ilk in those days disgust me to the absolute max.


19 posted on 07/12/2015 5:38:58 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Conservatism: Now home to liars too. And we'll support them. Yea... GOPe)
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20 posted on 07/12/2015 5:44:43 PM PDT by Gamecock (Why do bad things happen to good people? That only happened once, and He volunteered. R.C. Sproul)
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