Nancy Pelosi: Federal Confederate Flag Ban ‘Is About Our Morals’

Breitbart ^ | 10 Jul 2015 | by AWR Hawkins

[Cheerio]

During a July 9 discussion on a spending bill, Democrat members of the House—led by House Minority Leader Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA)—began pushing a vote to ban all "Confederate symbols from the Capitol." This was a continuation of a push that began Tuesday, wherein Democrats sought to ban Confederate flags from all federal cemeteries.

On Thursday, Pelosi supported such bans as necessary, saying it "is about our morals."

According to Politico, on Tuesday, Democrats not only pushed to ban the flag from federal cemeteries, but also “to stop the U.S. Park Service from doing business with enterprises that sell the flags.” Rep. Jared Huffman (D-CA)said, “This House now has an opportunity to add its voice to end the promotion of the cruel, racist legacy of the Confederacy.”

[Old Yeller]

Pelosi is to morals what east is to west.

[Jay Redhawk]

We should begin demanding that the Democrat party change its name because it is historically associated with slavery, segregation, Jim Crow, the KKK, and the abuse of civil rights.

[bigbob]

Do NOT share her morals!

[windsorknot]

This from the Lady Macbeth of Abortion.

[MAKOTHEDOG]

This will be the start of the Gov. banning everything they feel like banning for political advantage of course.

This whole thing is stupid and scary at the same time.

[CommerceComet]

Or is it you just didn't give a damn because you had your Yankee superiority to fall back on - until now.

Lurkinanloomin,

I think you bumped the chip on someone's shoulder.

[vetvetdoug]

Yes Pelosi. Your morals. You have a National holiday for a man that committed serial adultery, hired and supported prostitution, embezzled money from a public organization to provide himself sex parties and alcohol, and pretty much stole the bulk of his doctoral thesis and his many speeches. Morality has nothing to do with it, it is about destroying a culture to gain control over it.

[LouAvul]

Is it possible for this alcoholic whore to have an easier job? She jets around the world at taxpayer expense, drinking booze paid for by taxpayers, and all she has to do is latch onto some issue that is today’s hot button? American politics, huh?

[DoodleDawg]

Nancy Pelosi: Federal Confederate Flag Ban ‘Is About Our Morals’

And what would she know about that?

[KEVLAR]

Ordered mine today.

We should ensure that these flags are now seen more than ever before.

[kjam22]

Why do they remove the 10 Commandments?

Fundamentally we believe in the rule of law. When the court rules against us we fundamentally believe in complying. And we mistakenly believe that our elected representatives are going to represent us and "fix" the problem. They're not, and enough people outside of us freepers are beginning to recognize that. Oklahoma's governor told the state court to take a hike last week. That is an appropriate response to tyranny. Eventually the left will push enough people into a corner they don't want to be in, and then things will change.

[Vinnie]

Not to mention her town gives sanctuary to foreign criminal invaders which resulted in the murder of a US citizen last week. Remember Pelosi last year visiting the foreign criminal invaders at the border inviting them to San Fran?

And let's not forget the Folson Street blowout (ew, should have used a different description) in her 'moral' city every year.

[Logical me]

Pelosi, morals? That hag wouldn't know what morals are.

[GOPJ]

This from the party that creates cities that protects law breakers. Today democrats shelter criminal illegals.

Tomorrow democrats will have 'sanctuary' cities for gang bangers, tax cheats and rapists...

Democrats think they're above the law... They've got the FBI and IRS targeting American citizens who to dare to disagree with corrupt liberal elites... How soon until the FBI functions as a secret police? Dems want a police State with thugs dragging political opponents out of their homes at midnight? Totalitarians... thugs... liars... democrats.

k Stand up to Liberal Elite thugs and they turn your name over to the FBI... Judicial Watch...

[MasterGunner01]

That's pretty fancy talk coming from the Democratic Party of racism and slavery, Nancy Pelosi, darling. What a lying race baiter she is.

[BroJoeK]

tillacum: "There’s an article floating around about the Civil war and the flag we see today, was flown from slave ships, not from the southern states."

Have not seen such an article, but it has been posted as "fact" now several times on these threads.
The real facts are somewhat different.

1. During the Revolutionary War Congress banned the international slave trade.

2. The 1787 Constitution allowed slavery, but also permitted Congress to outlaw the international slave trade after 1807, which Congress did.

3. In the 1794 Slave Trade Act, Congress banned American ships from the slave trade and prohibited export by foreign ships.
   Rhode Island owners of the Hope were the first prosecuted -- for delivering 230 slaves to Cuba in 1796.

4. After 1807 both the US and British warships patrolled the Atlantic to capture illegal slave ships.
   But there remained a huge demand for slaves, and rising prices, so slave-ships continued to be captured and their owners prosecuted.

5. The last documented slave-ship, Wanderer, to arrive in the US landed in Georgia on November 28, 1858 with a cargo of 409 slaves.
   Wanderer's owner was Charleston, South Carolina businessman William C. Corrie and his Savanah, Georgia partner, planter Charles Augustus Lafayette Lamar.
   "As the federal government investigated, news of the slave ship raised outrage in the North.
   On the other hand, Southerners continued to press for re-establishment of importing slaves.
   The federal government tried Lamar and his conspirators three times for piracy, but was unable to get a conviction."

After Wanderer other slave ships were captured on the high seas, and one, Clotilde (Captain: William Foster, owner: Mobile AL ship-builder Timothy Meaher), even reported as delivering perhaps 160 slaves to Mobile Bay, Alabama, in 1860, though not confirmed.

These illustrate: demand for slaves, and ownership of slave-ships, increasingly came from Southern slave-holders, that the US Federal Government first outlawed such transport, then captured and prosecuted violators when possible.

So the flags of those ships are irrelevant, since they were all outlaws.

[okie01]

So the flags of those ships are irrelevant, since they were all outlaws.

And, in any event these flags would not have resembled the Confederate battle flag -- which didn't come into existence until 1861 (or 2).

I.e., it never flew over any slave ship.

[Kickass Conservative]

>>>There’s an article floating around about the Civil war and the flag we see today, was flown from slave ships<<<

Unless the Dutch, English and Portuguese were Johnny Rebs, that would be impossible.

[BroJoeK]

okie01: "And, in any event these flags would not have resembled the Confederate battle flag -- which didn't come into existence until 1861 (or 2).
I.e., it never flew over any slave ship."

Agreed, no dispute about that.
The second Confederate Navy jack & ensign (1863 - 65) were almost indistinguishable from the Army's battle flag.
They flew on Confederate Navy ships, but were never used in the slave-trade.
Indeed, perhaps counter-intuitively, the Confederate Constitution also outlawed importing slaves from overseas.

For an example of an actual slave-ship, the Nightingale, when captured off Africa with 961 slaves in April 1861, was then Brazilian owned and had been transporting slaves to Cuba for several years.
And this list of slave-ships seized by Union warships does not suggest any were Confederate ships.

But my point in all this is: the pro-Confederate claim that some slave ships flew the US flag cannot be accurate after 1807, if then, because such ships were outlaws, and when caught were seized, their owners prosecuted.

Here is the second Confederate Naval Jack:

And here, from 1848, USS Jamestown of the Africa Squadron, captured two slave-ships: