Posted on 06/18/2015 1:22:58 PM PDT by detective
Leaders of the Catholic Church in America took their “marching orders” from the Pope’s encyclical on Thursday, fanning out to Congress and the White House to push for action on climate change.
The high-level meetings offered a first glimpse of a vast and highly organised effort by the leadership of America’s nearly 80 million Catholics to turn the Pope’s moral call for action into reality.
“It is our marching orders for advocacy,” Joseph Kurtz, the president of the US Conference of Catholic Bishops and the Archbishop of Louisville, said. “It really brings about a new urgency for us.”
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” You might want to also look into “binding and loosing,” which refers to indisputable ecclesial authority. (Matthew 16:19, 18:18)
None of which proves anything - even apart from you posting penchant of distorting the meaning of passages.
“I don’t know how the Bible could be any more explicit.”
I’ve come to understand your pre-belief is the issue. It allows only what has been taught... the definition of eisogesis.
“And Protestants protesting proof-texting is ironic, since Catholics are also supposed to abandon Church Authority and Sacred Tradition (in contradiction to Scripture, for an extra layer of irony).
I am not opposed to proof-texting, but you have to start with PROOF. To take a passage out of context because you find the words you like is very mormonic. They do it all the time. They are also wrong.
“And we still haven’t talked about the key of the Davidic kingdom. “
No problem there either. Again, the Catholic has been taught what things “mean” and are truth blind to anything that might break into the pre-belief.
This does not surprise me. I at one time was like you, alter boy, steeped in Rome’s teaching. Until I began to study the Bible myself and on my knees. Then the dawn came. Others (and maybe you) are content to outsource their “study” to Rome and then believe whatever she says - despite her long history of paganism.
Unfortunately, that will only get you to third base and never to Home - eternal life.
Except that Jesus gave Peter individually, and the Apostles collectively, the power to "bind and loose," or indisputable ecclesiastical authority.
And it's all right there in the Bible, which Protestants claim to revere.
Matthew 16:19Imagine that. Think about that statement for a moment. Don't just pass over it."I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."
Matthew 18:18Again, don't just pass over these words."If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. "Truly I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven.
From the Jewish Encyclopedia:
The power of binding and loosing was always claimed by the Pharisees. Under Queen Alexandra, the Pharisees, says Josephus ("B J." i, 5, § 2), "became the administrators of all public affairs so as to be empowered to banish and readmit whom they pleased, as well as to loose and to bind." This does not mean that, as the learned men, they merely decided what, according to the Law, was forbidden or allowed, but that they possessed and exercised the power of tying or untying a thing by the spell of their divine authority, just as they could, by the power vested in them, pronounce and revoke an anathema upon a person. The various schools had the power "to bind and to loose"; that is, to forbid and to permit (Ḥag. 3b); and they could bind any day by declaring it a fast-day (Meg. Ta'an. xxii.; Ta'an. 12a; Yer. Ned. i. 36c, d). This power and authority, vested in the rabbinical body of each age or in the Sanhedrin (see Authority), received its ratification and final sanction from the celestial court of justice (Sifra, Emor, ix.; Mak. 23b).In the New Testament.
In this sense Jesus, when appointing his disciples to be his successors, used the familiar formula (Matt. xvi. 19, xviii. 18). By these words he virtually invested them with the same authority as that which he found belonging to the scribes and Pharisees who "bind heavy burdens and lay them on men's shoulders, but will not move them with one of their fingers"; that is, "loose them," as they have the power to do (Matt. xxiii. 2-4). In the same sense, in the second epistle of Clement to James II. ("Clementine Homilies," Introduction), Peter is represented as having appointed Clement as his successor, saying: "I communicate to him the power of binding and loosing so that, with respect to everything which he shall ordain in the earth, it shall be decreed in the heavens; for he shall bind what ought to be bound and loose what ought to be loosed as knowing the rule of the church."
STA,
Again, without an understanding of Greek, you are just repeating what you were told.
Here is an literal translation from Greek:
“Whatever you shall bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven, and whatever you shall loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven.”
Already bound. Already loosed.
As to the keys...
Peter is given a significant position of authority in the *kingdom on earth* (”The kingdom is here, as elsewhere in this Gospel, the kingdom to be inaugurated when the Son of Man came upon the clouds of heaven. . . .” Constable ), not in the ekklesia of the current age.
This brief conversation has helped me understand where you are coming from and credit you with belief in what you’ve been taught, without the skills to rightly divide the Word of Truth.
Best.
Nice QUOTES!
Too bad it's a LIE!
The RM would have REMOVED it!
But; Catholic teaching is known to place words into Jesus mouth; so why not mine?
No; I want YOU to prove what you've claimed; that's all.
You can either do it or be thought a ______________.
(Fill in your own blank.)
So many excuses for YOUR inability to produce evidence.
Pitiful performance.
And you are an avid claimer of evidence; but a non-producer of any.
Truncated and chopped by a deceiver.
I 'conclude' a much DEEPER reason!
Matthew 15:16
"Are you still so dull?" Jesus asked them.
Why do so many of you Catholics wish that Francis would BIND his tongue?
You make Mary cry!
Quick!
Wash the TAR off before you get stuck farther into it!
ZING!
Rome has a LOT of 'tools' at it's disposal.
Here is an literal translation from Greek:
“Whatever you shall bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven, and whatever you shall loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven.”
Already bound. Already loosed.
But what difference does that make? Any proclamation of the Church on earth would already have been ratified in heaven. How would that diminish the Church's Teaching Authority?
And this makes sense, since this Church is Christ's Church, "the pillar and foundation of truth." The Church is the foundation of Truth, which is Christ Himself.
The Church is the Body of Christ, with Christ as Its Head.
This conforms with Jesus' admonition, "if he won't listen to the church, treat him as a pagan or tax collector."
As to the keys...
Peter is given a significant position of authority in the *kingdom on earth* (”The kingdom is here, as elsewhere in this Gospel, the kingdom to be inaugurated when the Son of Man came upon the clouds of heaven. . . .” Constable ), not in the ekklesia of the current age.
This brief conversation has helped me understand where you are coming from and credit you with belief in what you’ve been taught, without the skills to rightly divide the Word of Truth.
Here is Constable's exegesis regarding "the keys" of Matthew 16:19, and compare it to what I have posted further below.
ConstableConstable vastly understates the authority of the office of the vice-regent in the ancient Davidic kingdom.Probably the keys stand for the judicial authority that chief stewards of monarchs exercised in the ancient world (Isaiah 22:15; Isaiah 22:22; cf. Revelation 1:18; Revelation 3:7). [Note: Vincent, 1:96.] They could permit people to enter the monarch's presence or give them access to certain areas and privileges. As the Judge of all humanity, Jesus gave this authority to Peter. Of course, some of the other Apostles exercised it too (Matthew 18:18; Acts 14:27).
To begin with, the Bible tells us that Jesus is the King of the eternal and redeemed Davidic Kingdom. (Luke 1:32)
In the ancient Davidic kingdom, the palace majordomo or chief steward served as the representative of the king (or vice-regent) in the king's absence. In the king's absence, the vice regent held full plenary authority.
Here is how this authority is described in Isaiah 22:
I will clothe him with your robe and fasten your sash around him and hand your authority over to him. He will be a father to those who live in Jerusalem and to the people of Judah. I will place on his shoulder the key to the house of David; what he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open.More of this succession in office can be seen in Isaiah 22:15-25
The authority of this office was represented by an over-sized key, the key of David, which the vice-regent wore around his neck. (Isaiah 22:22)
As the King of the eternal House of David, Jesus holds the Key of David. (Rev. 3:7)
Jesus gave the "keys of the kingdom," representing the office of the vice-regent of the eternal, redeemed House of David, to Peter. (Matthew 16:19)
In The King's earthly absence, the vice-regent of the eternal, redeemed Davidic kingdom holds plenary authority over Christ's earthly Church.
And “Whatever you shall bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven, and whatever you shall loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven.”
Thank you for your clarification wagglebee. I stand corrected.
I hope and pray that you and your dear ones are unharmed.
The media generally no longer are interested in anything like the truth. It's not that they strain out gnats and swallow camels. It's that they ignore camels, inflate gnats to the size of camels, and then try to force them down our throats.
Regrettably, even Catholics engage in the same thing, running around, waving their hands in the air, and screaming because some sentence somewhere can be construed as ... somehow undesirable.
You have to glean carefully.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
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