Posted on 05/20/2015 9:26:41 PM PDT by FR_addict
Given the full context of Francis, your assessment is wishful thinking. Just ask Cardinal Burke.
Here's the mindset:
OUR LADY AND ISLAM: HEAVEN’S PEACE PLAN Fr Ladis J. Cizik, Blue Army National Executive Director
In the Koran, the holy name of the Blessed Virgin Mary is mentioned no less than thirty times. No other woman's name is even mentioned, not even that of Mohammed's daughter, Fatima. Among men, only Abraham, Moses, and Noah are mentioned more times than Our Lady. In the Koran, Our Blessed Mother is described as "Virgin, ever Virgin." The Islamic belief in the virginity of Mary puts to shame the heretical beliefs of those who call themselves Christian, while denying the perpetual virginity of Mary. Make no mistake about it, there is a very special relationship between the Blessed Virgin Mary and the Moslems!<.i>
Roman Catholicism teaches heresy in CCC 841 and 969 without question... and most likely, in MANY other instances in the CCC. But those two stand out and basically nullify any claim Rome makes to being "Christ's Church."
Hoss
Seems some Orthodox in the East did not get this memo:)
Nothing personal. I just don't chat (at least, not for long) with those who spit rather than speak, who rant rather than reason, and whose favorite tools of discussion are flamethrowers and incendiary grenades.
Whenever anyone puts his troll suit away, stashes his flame-thrower (and other fire-based weapons) safely away, and starts anew with a polite series of questions (even if it involves serious disagreement), I always reply with equanimity and cordiality. Perhaps you might try that? Or are you (and your fellow "snarlers") too angry to make the attempt?
And with all due respect, all of this instead of a simple answer to a simple question?
Let's try again:
CCC 841 teaches that Roman Catholics and Muslims worship the same "merciful God" -- however, Muslims DENY that Christians and Muslims worship the same God. Muslims worship a false god. Yet, Rome persists in teaching that Catholics and Muslims worship the same "God" -- this is a heretical error.
Do you stand with Rome, its teaching and CCC and agree that Catholics and Muslims worship the same "God", or;
Do you break with Rome and deny the false teaching that is CCC 841?
Simple question... no trolling, no ranting... no flamethrower... nothing but a simple question.
Hoss
” Stay outta de Jesuits”
And the Roman church has NO warts?
Given that I said that every single Pope has warts, I don’t see how you arrive at the conclusion that I hold that The Church has no warts.
I think that God asks imperfect people to work with imperfect people, and that this appointment, even if not a good idea, is not a reason to leave the Church.
That the Orthodox clearly did not get 'that memo.' Or ignored it since they call themselves the OTC.
I find your approach a bit misleading. The article posted shows some grave problems in the Catholic church head shed. However, what the public observes on FR are quite a few Catholics who decide to defend the indefensible. There are ways to approach these grave matters without trying to defend a 'burning city.'
Here is one approach from LifeSite's John-Henry Westen:
From: ‘Massive confusion’ in wake of Vatican miscommunications, Synod requires clarification: LifeSiteNews co-founder (https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/massive-confusion-in-wake-of-vatican-miscommunications-synod-requires-clari)
Westen also pointed to the meeting last year between Pope Francis and Italy’s best-known pro-homosexual priest as a case where an opportunity to send a powerful message of mercy instead spread confusion, because of the lack of clarity.
During that meeting, the pope concelebrated mass with the priest and afterwards met with him and kissed his hands. Had the clarification come from the Vatican that the pope was calling the priest to repentance, said Westen, he and all the pro-life and pro-family leaders in the room would have rejoiced “with tears” at the meeting. But that clarification was not given. “The Holy Father made a beautiful gesture which was in all likelihood a call to repentance,” said Westen, “but when asked for a clarification we were not told it was a call to repentance.”
Westen quoted Christ’s statement from Luke 5, after the Pharisees criticized him for eating with sinners, as an example of such clarity. Christ had said: “I did not come for the just but for sinners, to call them to repentance.”
“Things have been misinterpreted by the media everywhere,” Westen continued, most famously Pope Francis’ statement, “Who am I to judge?”
“Most demonstrations in favor of gay 'marriage' have [this statement on posters], it is on T-shirts. It needs to be clarified. The media doesn’t help at all because the media is on the other side and uses the Pope’s words to bash Catholic activists in America and all over the West. The clarity we need is so important and still needs to be done.”
There you go...Someone who is Catholic who knows "Vatican we have a problem" but yet uses language and argument to hold those who claim authority accountable. Westen is asking for CLARITY. Which is what the lay folk should expect from the shepherds? No?
BTW, nice of you to attempt to change the subject. We were discussing the homophile appointment.
No. I have found reporters take a piece of something the Pope says, leaving out parts of it, so it makes a sensational wrong statement. Pope Francis made a statement some time ago about welcoming homosexuals into the church if they were willing to stop their sinful life. What was reported, was, “The Pope Welcomes Homosexuals” and the public crucified the Pope for saying that because they didn't have the whole statement. So, I only believe what the Pope actually says, not an individual’s “idea” of what he said.
All sinners, which is all of us, are welcome into the Catholic church if they believe in the Father, the Son, the Holy Ghost, and stop their egregious sinful habits. The church is for sinners who believe and want to live a Christian life.
Please cite the above claim. Instead we have this:
Westen also pointed to the meeting last year between Pope Francis and Italy’s best-known pro-homosexual priest as a case where an opportunity to send a powerful message of mercy instead spread confusion, because of the lack of clarity.
During that meeting, the pope concelebrated mass with the priest and afterwards met with him and kissed his hands. Had the clarification come from the Vatican that the pope was calling the priest to repentance, said Westen, he and all the pro-life and pro-family leaders in the room would have rejoiced “with tears” at the meeting. But that clarification was not given. “The Holy Father made a beautiful gesture which was in all likelihood a call to repentance,” said Westen, “but when asked for a clarification we were not told it was a call to repentance.”
Westen quoted Christ’s statement from Luke 5, after the Pharisees criticized him for eating with sinners, as an example of such clarity. Christ had said: “I did not come for the just but for sinners, to call them to repentance.”
This shows a lack of clarity on the Pope's approach to homosexuals. Never has the word 'repentance' been used by the Pope or Vatican. Above article makes this clear.
So, I only believe what the Pope actually says, not an individual’s “idea” of what he said.
Then you should be just as concerned as Mr. Westen as their has not been one clearly defined sentence from this Pope.
All sinners, which is all of us, are welcome into the Catholic church if they believe in the Father, the Son, the Holy Ghost, and stop their egregious sinful habits. The church is for sinners who believe and want to live a Christian life.
Yes the operative word for your statement is 'repentance.' As I pointed out (unless you have a different source) the Pope never used that word with regards to homosexuals or even in meeting with the pro-sodomite priest in Italy. You should be demanding clarity from your shepherds. If they refuse then they are false shepherds and their father is not the Father in Heaven.
No, they do not. They worship the One True God, but they worship Him in almost complete ignorance of His True Nature... much like Aristotle worshipped the One God (albeit with severe misunderstandings about Him).
Really? You must actually then worship their same false god!!!
Try this for me: go find a Muslim, tell him Jesus is God's Son.... and then tell him he worships the one Triune God.
Then... get back to me.
Until then, the ignorance of your answer speaks volumes as the Qu'ran is VERY specific as to who Muslims worship. It is NOT the one true living God.
Does God sanction murder of women and children for the sake of spreading Christianity? Rome did the Crusades, but there was no sanction for it... the Muslim god SANCTIONS this.
Does this sound like God Almighty? And this goes beyond worshipping God "in error."
Go learn about Islam and get your eyes opened...CCC 841 teaches heresy and manifest error. It teaches that Catholics worship the false god of Islam.
Hoss
Do you worship the same god as Muslims?
Hoss
So you choose to ramble instead of sticking with the ACCUSATION I hurled your way.
OK...
Nice screed.
Land on something for a while to give your wings a rest.
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