Posted on 05/10/2015 1:08:52 PM PDT by MuttTheHoople
Fascinating. Incredible how Russia and America, England and France ended up fighting the same enemies in two world wars, and became such bad enemies afterwards.
Hitler probably drew more inspiration from Stalin, than Mussolini, Stalin provided Hitler with the blueprint.
But where is a single quote by Hitler declaring himself to be a Fascist?
You are quite right. The whole point of Communism was for all the workers of the world to unite and eventually create a classless system to run the world.
The goal of fascism and nazism was to unite all Germans of various classes and domineer over the rest of the world. They wanted to
That they used similar methods in many ways does not change the fact that their goals were utterly incompatible.
Under Russian domination.
That’s because China isn’t Communist anymore except in name. If Communism means anything at all, it means state ownership of the means of production. No country with private property millionaires and billionaires can be considered Communist in any real sense.
Well, that and the Bolsheviks claimed they wanted toliberate the proletariat to rule themselves all over the globe and the Nazis wanted Aryans to rule the world. In truth, it comes down to Russians and Germans squabling about how the pie would be divided and who would eat it.
I think the only reason that Hitler didn’t completely nationalize the factories was that he realized he needed his war machine to be built quickly, and having the replace the current people running the factories would only slow down the timeframe of getting Germany ready for war.
Not explicitly. Communism was international socialism. Nazism was national socialism.
Communism’s goal was to unite the working classes of all nations against the middle and upper classes. Nazism’s goal was to unite Germans of all classes against everybody else.
Nazism’s goal was to do whatever Hitler wanted to do on that particular day.
Nazism definitely had a strong leftist thread. If Hitler had won the war, it remains an open question whether he would have “completed the social revolution” by nationalizing all property.
But in the final analysis Hitler and the top Nazis weren’t really interested in this stuff. They were interested only in power used to promote their racial goals and weren’t much interested in who owned what.
One of the reasons the SA was done away with, was that Rohm and their leadership were hardcore socialists, who really wanted a total revolution in Germany, and the overthrow of the business class.
When Hitler eliminated them, the industrialists gave him their support. But there were many hardcore socialists in the Nazi Party, Goebbels and Robert Ley, chief among them.
Righto. Fuehrer principle and all that.
That’s another difference between the Nazis and commies. The Commies had all kinds of doctrine, with doctrinal disagreements reminiscent of the early church councils.
Nazis had nothing resembling that. They simply didn’t care much about such things.
An example: Commies held fake trials for most of the people they killed under Stalin, forcing the victims to sign confessions the torturers and tortured both knew were false. Then they killed the victims but filed their confessions away, millions of them, that nobody would ever look at. The commies, at some insane level, had a compulsion to get even their victims to pretend to agree they were right.
The Nazis never bothered with any of that. They just killed their enemies.
The SA wasn’t actually disbanded till May, 1945.
The political spectrum doesn’t just run from libertarian to statist and totalitarian. There are all kinds of totalitarian and statist systems that don’t have much in common with each other except the methods they use.
The Nazis had show trials too, called "Peoples' Courts" headed by Roland Freisler, who actually started out as a hardcore Bolshevik. Friesler himself was inspired by Soviet jurist Andrey Vyshinsky, who presided over the Moscow Show Trials.
There you have it.
It is disputed whether Friesler was ever really a commie. He certainly disputed it.
But I think it’s pretty obvious the commies had a whole different attitude toward show trials than the nazis did. The nazis’ major show trial, the Reichstag Fire trial, was severely mismanaged and was a political disaster for them.
China is no longer communist. Communes are no more. It is more fascist now. Vietnam is going that way too.
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