Posted on 04/14/2015 3:49:30 PM PDT by fwdude
If theres one thing todays secular progressive enjoys, its telling Christians how to be Christians.
It feels funny when it happens. A bit like getting combat training from Jane Fonda or Cindy Sheehan.
But they mean well.
And they know a verse. Their favorite verse is Matthew 7:1, which says judge not lest ye also be judged. They quote it every time a Christian expresses an opinion because their years of deep theological study have shown them that Matthew 7:1 means its wrong to have an opinion. About anything. After all, an opinion is a judgment and you cant do that.
Says so right there.
Red letters even.
The urge to lecture Christians on how to be Christian is almost irresistible in the dispute over whether businesses can be forced to participate in same-sex weddings.
I thought you were a Christian. Arent Christians supposed to follow the law?
For the moment, lets put aside the far-from-resolved debate over whether the law really does mandate involuntary servitude for same-sex weddings.
For the purpose of this conversation, we will assume that it does.
Shouldnt Christians just obey the law?
In his Letter from a Birmingham Jail, Martin Luther King Jr. wrote one of the greatest commentaries ever written about what Christian citizenship requires.
It is also instructive to remember the context in which the letter was written. It was a letter written to his fellow clergymen who were concerned about his activities.
At the time, not everyone appreciated his demonstrations the way we do today.
Specifically, they expressed anxiety over [his] willingness to break laws. He acknowledged the apparent contradiction in urging people to obey the Supreme Courts decision of 1954 outlawing segregation in the public schools and demonstrating in ways that the law forbid.
How can you advocate breaking some laws and obeying others? he asked rhetorically.
His response is instructive both for the Christian and for those who seek to understand what motivates Christians,
The answer lies in the fact that there are two types of laws: just and unjust. I would be the first to advocate obeying just laws. One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws. I would agree with St. Augustine that an unjust law is no law at all.
Well how do we know whether a law is just or unjust?
A just law is a man made code that squares with the moral law or the law of God. An unjust law is a code that is out of harmony with the moral law. To put it in terms of St. Thomas Aquinas: An unjust law is a human law that is not rooted in eternal law and natural law.
And this is where everyone starts to get uncomfortable. Is that MLK or Jerry Falwell?
Then he gives some examples:
An unjust law is a code that a numerical or power majority group compels a minority group to obey but does not make binding on itself.
I wonder if that would include laws that let one person decline to bake a cake with a message they disagree with but not another person. Doesnt he understand that these people offend me?
The left isnt going to condemn MLK anytime soon because they like what he did. But their failure to appreciate or even acknowledge why he did it causes them to miss a much larger point.
Fundamental to Christianity is the idea that there is a law higher than mans law.
The compulsion to obey God regardless of what the law says is the reason the Civil Rights movement was a movement of Christians. It is the reason Quakers violated the law to be an integral part of the Underground Railroad. It is why Christians rallied against the ancient practice of exposure in which infants were set out to die immediately after birth. It is why Christians worked in India to eliminate the practice of burning widows on the funeral pyres of their husbands.
This isnt an attempt to provide an exhaustive history of Christianity. Im confident I dont need to remind you of the challenges the Christian church has had. Thats what President Obama is for.
But context is important.
The reason Christians violated the law to free slaves, save babies from exposure, and rescue widows from funeral pyres is the same reason Christians today feel they cannot be part of a same-sex wedding ceremony. We are bound to a higher law.
And before you start lecturing your Christian friends about why their position is actually not the Christian position, stop and ask yourself this question. Do I actually know what Im talking about? If you havent read a Bible in a year, the answer is likely no.
Besides, the fact that you may not understand why someone feels something is wrong should not prohibit you from respecting their conscience anyway.
Nevertheless, the idea that there is a law that is above government is not simply just a Christian idea, it is an American idea as well.
The Declaration of Independence reminds us that our rights are endowed by our creator not our government and that governments are created to secure rights, not to create them.
We are a constitutional republic (rather than a democracy) with a Bill of Rights specifically because our Founders understood that the majority can be wrong; a position that assumes a moral law exists above legislated law.
Therefore, even if everyone knows Im a terrible, horrible, very bad guy, even ninety-nine percent of the public cant vote to take away my right to free speech, the free exercise of religion, or a fair trial.
Your rights transcend your political popularity and the government exists to protect those rights, not appease the mob.
This structure protects us all because, as the gay lobby has so clearly demonstrated, neither political popularity nor political powerlessness are necessarily permanent conditions.
While the right not to participate has historically been protected by the First Amendments guarantee to the Free Exercise of religion, some now claim the obligation to participate is required by the duly enacted non-discrimination statute.
The majority said you cant use religion as an excuse to discriminate, so you cant.
But the majority isnt supposed to be able to duly enact away the First Amendment. Thats why its the First Amendment.
But again, were assuming none of that matters.
In a world in which the law is in conflict with the Christian conscience, the response from many on the left is a cold, Just obey the law.
To which the florist responds, I will obey the law, I just wont obey your law.
And from his perch in heaven, Martin Luther King Jr. says, You go girl!
And again, you refuse to even comment on the obvious - which is that all of this is almost always a scam - designed to trap Christian businesses into looking like fools. And it often works. You wont touch that one, because you have no answer for it.
so, the very first person to whom this scam presented itself-—I believe it was a female baker somewhere in Washington State-—was supposed to realize this was nothing but a devious ploy, and so as to not make Christians look seamy, should have have just merrily baked the cake, all the while saying ‘there are better hills on which to die, after all’...
what’s that they say about hindsight-20/20 and all that sort of thing...
You use the same pathetic language of the homo-left. Perhaps you should slither off to the DUmp before you get zotted.
No, actually I’ve never heard the left say that. But I will say this, you are the fodder the left loves to parade around. Coingrats. You are driving people away from the Kingdom. I’m glad I don’t have to answer for that.
don’t be that stupid.....I never said anything about “the first one” - but smart people learn from the examples of others. I guess you’re saying you’re not smart.
Your words, not mine.
you should learn to read before you vent. Would save you lotta embarrassment.
“The answer lies in the fact that there are two types of laws: just and unjust. I would be the first to advocate obeying just laws. One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws. I would agree with St. Augustine that “an unjust law is no law at all.”
Well how do we know whether a law is just or unjust?
A just law is a man made code that squares with the moral law or the law of God. An unjust law is a code that is out of harmony with the moral law. To put it in terms of St. Thomas Aquinas: An unjust law is a human law that is not rooted in eternal law and natural law.
And this is where everyone starts to get uncomfortable. Is that MLK or Jerry Falwell?
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Very good points in this article relative to Moral Absolutes. I would add this question; "How can a Moral Wrong be a Civil Right?"
Anyhoo, a whole lot of FReepers (Hello C. Edmund) are all over the map here in (mis)understanding some basic M/A truths.
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No one “drives people away from the Kingdom,” they are lead away by their own love of darkness. Where do you read otherwise in Scripture?
Yes, the phrase you quoted about baking fake wedding cakes is almost VERBATIM from the leftist play book.
I guess youre saying youre not smart.
Your words, not mine.
well, just being neighborly...wouldn’t want you to be alone in your inanity...
you should learn to read before you vent. Would save you lotta embarrassment.
heh heh...good one, C. Edmund...you get the last word; make it count for a change...
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