Posted on 04/07/2015 7:09:21 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
You may have heard that the government is forcing businesses not to discriminate. It isnt. If you chose to run a business, you have to follow the laws. If you dont, thats a choiceand you choose to suffer the consequences.
Still, in the wake of the controversy surrounding Indianas law, conservatives dont see it that way. Even potential Republican presidential candidates are getting in on the assertions. Rick Santorum recently said:
If youre a print shop and you are a gay man, should you be forced to print God Hates Fags for the Westboro Baptist Church because they hold those signs up? Should the governmentand this is really the case here should the government force you to do that? This is about the government coming in and saying, No, were going to make you do this. And this is where I think we just need some space to say lets have some tolerance, be a two-way street.
There are two problems with Santorums reasoning. The first is that a printer doesnt have to make such signs, under any law, because refusing to do so is not discrimination in any legally prohibited sense. A print shop can also refuse to print a poster that says, for instance, F*ck Rick Santorum, either because it disagrees with the language or the sentiment. Both are entirely legally permissible decisions any business can rightfully make.
But lets say the printer is asked to make a communion sign or a gay wedding sign. In this caseespecially in states that prohibit discrimination based on sexual orientation as well as religionrefusing to print such a sign would indeed be illegal. The government isnt forcing that business to do anything other than follow the law. Which is what we expect of all businesses, equally.
This issue of government force is a funny one. You could also argue that the government is forcing you to drive below the speed limit or wear a seatbelt in your car. But its not. There isnt a police officer holding a gun to your head literally forcing you to buckle up. In fact, you are 100 percent free to speed and not wear your seatbeltand simply deal with the consequences if youre pulled over. Is the threat of the fine for breaking the law amount to forcing you to follow the law? No.
And more to the point, the government certainly isnt forcing you to drive. If you dont like the speed limit and seatbelt rules, and dont want to be subject to the consequences of breaking them, then you can not drive. Whether to drive or not is your choice.
This all seems simple when we talk about driving, but somehow a fringe set of rightwing conservatives want us all to believe that hapless business owners are somehow being forced, against their will, to serve pizza to gay people. Nothing could be further from the truth. If you dont want to serve pizza to gay people, by all means, dontwhich, by the way, is legal in Indiana and 28 other states, but even where it is illegal, youre still free to do so and deal with the consequences of breaking the law. That, pizza shop owner, is your choice. And if you dont want to deal with those consequences, well, no one is forcing you to be in the pizza business. Youre free to do something else.
In the wake of the Loving v. Virginia ruling in 1967, Bob Jones University, a Christian college in South Carolina that explicitly denied admissions to black students, maintained its policy against interracial dating and marriage, citing the Bible. So the school suffered the consequences. In 1983, the Supreme Court upheld the decision of the Internal Revenue Service to revoke Bob Jones Universitys tax-exempt status. But the university was still free to continue its discriminatory practices. In fact, while the school did start admitting African-Americans in the 1970s, the ban on interracial dating was only lifted in 2000.
In the United States, private businesses get all kinds of government supporta functional monetary system, police that safeguard private property, roads that help deliver customers and goods, public schools that educate workers, telecommunications infrastructure, legal protections against copyright and patent infringement, tax benefits for business expenses and employee health care, legal shields for owners and more. No one is forcing businesses to take advantage of all those benefits, nor forcing you to start a business to begin with nor forcing you to do so in a state with non-discrimination laws or in the United States to begin with.
Dont like following the laws that apply to businessesincluding serving all customers equally? Then dont start a business. Thats your choice.
-- Sally Kohn is a columnist and CNN political commentator.
Um, in one state (New Mexico, I think) a business owner was cited for refusing to participate in a same sex wedding ceremony (I think it was a photographer, which would include being present at the event and honoring it). Thing was, same sex marriage wasn't even recognized by the laws of that state at the time the owner/artist was cited.
I find it whimsical that a lesbian like her seems to think an Indiana law is 'just for conservatives.'
Interpret the law in Indiana courts and let it proceed. If full redress for her ilk isn't sustained, then litigate it higher. But don't rewrite the dictionary, honey (and, yes, I meant to be as offensive as it can be :0) ).
“The government isnt forcing that business to do anything other than follow the law.”
Nice tautology. What’s at issue is whether the law is Constitutional or just.
Looking at the pic, I could swear that it was Justin Bieber if I did not know any better.... :)
Backwards. Private businesses pay for and support the government.
Everything Hitler and the Nazis did was “legal”.
So....I’m guessing she’s the “strap-onner”.
The word force is in law enforcement for a reason, Sally. You mindless twit.
wow the lesbian task force..
thats a scarey thought indeed
dykes on bikes..on steroids?
but even more seriously...
“Dont like following the laws that apply to businessesincluding serving all customers equally? Then dont start a business.”
this knuckleheaded bull dagger has missed the core point here!
if for example someone wanted a business owner to sell them the same sort of FERTLIZER to build a BOMB that the average customer would use to increase crop yield...the Business Owner would certainly be well within his rights to refuse that sale!!
No Shoes....No Shirt..No COMMON SENSE...No Service!
BULLSTALIN. Cake decorators and t-shirt printers have BOTH been charged for refusing such work.
Nice bit of sophistry, that.
Dude, you’re getting a Dell-do!
She is basically saying you can’t be a christian and choose to start a business. She basically believe a gay printer could refuse to print a sign that say “God Hates Fags” but still believe a Christian can not refuse service to gay wedding
Just like there is not coercion in Islam. Everyone is free to accept or reject Islam. But if you reject it we will kill you.
So atheists can go taunting Christian printshops by ordering 'Hail S@t@n!" signs?
The government isnt forcing that business to do anything other than follow the law.
....not to mention that the interpretation of the law is in violation of constitutional law in more than one way.
One concept leftists will avoid at all costs...
that anything they advocate the gov’t do
is authorizing the pointing of a gun in the face
of those that don’t want to comply.
You’ll invariably hear from them “it doesn’t have to come to that!”
I think FReepers are intelligent enough to understand that - it means people will knuckle under before the guns come out.
It DOESN’T mean that the gov’t will say “oh, you don’t want to comply? OK. Carry on.”
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