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Ukraine rebels disavow ceasefire at encircled town
Reuters ^ | Sun Feb 15, 2015 6:46am EST | Anton Zverev and Gleb Garanich

Posted on 02/15/2015 4:39:24 AM PST by WhiskeyX

(Reuters) - Ukraine's rebels disavowed a new truce on Sunday hours after it took effect, saying it did not apply to the town where most fighting has taken place in recent weeks.

Guns fell abruptly silent at midnight across much of eastern Ukraine in line with the ceasefire agreement, but the pro-Russian rebels announced that they would not observe the truce at Debaltseve, where Ukraine army forces have been encircled.

"Of course we can open fire (on Debaltseve). It is our territory," Eduard Basurin, a senior rebel commander, told Reuters.

"The territory is internal: ours. And internal is internal. But along the line of confrontation there is no shooting."

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: debaltseve; eduardbasurin; putinsbuttboys; russia; ukraine; vladtheimploder
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1 posted on 02/15/2015 4:39:24 AM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX

When surrogates fight wars, the principles actions have no bearing

The solution to the islamic zealots are Christian zealots that are not bound by the flummery of lawyers


2 posted on 02/15/2015 4:41:53 AM PST by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc.;+12, 73, ..... Obama is public enemy #1)
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To: WhiskeyX

They want the Ukies in the Debaltselvo cauldron to surrender or to die.

It doesn’t mean there’s a ceasefire when you hold the upper hand.


3 posted on 02/15/2015 4:45:59 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: bert

Amen


4 posted on 02/15/2015 4:48:17 AM PST by MrBambaLaMamba (Obama - "I will stand with the Muslims")
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To: goldstategop

Which is why the rebels went on the offensive as soon as the ceasefire talks were announced.


5 posted on 02/15/2015 4:51:48 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: goldstategop
It's a trap.


6 posted on 02/15/2015 4:53:08 AM PST by McGruff (We are leaving behind a sovereign, stable and self-reliant Iraq - Barack Obama 2011)
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To: 1rudeboy

The Ukies are nuts - they’re relaying the same commands Hitler did to the entrapped German Sixth Army at Stalingrad - “No retreat” - to their besieged troops.

We all know how its going to end and it will not end well.


7 posted on 02/15/2015 4:54:31 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: McGruff

The Donbass armies are using the Operation Uranus playbook the Soviets used at Stalingrad. Attacking behind the enemy rear to close the hinge.

People should have seen this coming.


8 posted on 02/15/2015 4:56:44 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

Sometimes you have to make a stand. Especially against scumbags.


9 posted on 02/15/2015 4:59:46 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: goldstategop

Isn’t this the second time Ukranian military geniuses let their troops be encircled? I think it happened early on when they were backed up to the sea.


10 posted on 02/15/2015 4:59:53 AM PST by grania
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To: 1rudeboy

General Custer made a stand.


11 posted on 02/15/2015 5:04:08 AM PST by McGruff (We are leaving behind a sovereign, stable and self-reliant Iraq - Barack Obama 2011)
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To: grania
Jeebus. What the heck are you thinking? The rebels are getting arms and support (and maybe troops) from Russia. You think this is a sandlot war? lol
12 posted on 02/15/2015 5:04:43 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: grania

The problem is they don’t have a defensible line and they’re operating in hostile territory.

Kiev controls the northern part of Lugansk Oblast which is predominantly Ukrainian-speaking.

Taking back the Russian-speaking southern half of it and Donetsk is quite frankly beyond its present capabilities.

A lot has changed since the pro-Russian uprisings in the east of Ukraine in 2014.


13 posted on 02/15/2015 5:05:07 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: McGruff

I’ve studied that battle. Is the history available in Cyrillic, yet?


14 posted on 02/15/2015 5:05:49 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: goldstategop

“Uprising.” I see what you did there.


15 posted on 02/15/2015 5:06:44 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

You have two mentalities in Ukraine:

People west of the Dnieper who speak Ukrainian and feel closer to Warsaw and Berlin than they do to Moscow.

People east of the Dnieper who speak Russian and feel closer to Moscow than they do to the West.

That divide would have existed even in the absence of Russian intervention.

The Minsk Agreement simply papered over it and kicked the can down the road.


16 posted on 02/15/2015 5:13:33 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
And you have the Russian-speakers who feel closer to the West. Don't forget. I suppose there might be some Ukrainian speakers who feel closer to the East, but you don't hear much about them.

Suffice it to say, Russian speaker=supporter of Russia is a logical fallacy of the first magnitude.

17 posted on 02/15/2015 5:16:11 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

There are exceptions of course.

You still have two groups of people living essentially in different countries and lining up sides.

The logical fallacy of first magnitude is your refusal to recognize that’s already occurred.

Like with Humpty Dumpty, putting Ukraine back together again is a tall order.


18 posted on 02/15/2015 5:20:33 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: WhiskeyX
The two forces in the Ukraine that will continue to bring violence to the forefront in this proxy conflicts are: (1) Ukrainian Nationalist / Fascist: Azov Battalion [Right Sector] (self-defense militia of eastern Ukraine being funded by the third-richest oligarch, Igor Kolomoysky. )

(2) Pro-Russian Irregulars: Stronghold (pro-Russia separatists living in Ukraine)

People's Republic of Donetsk

PBS Special Documentary on Netflix: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/foreign-affairs-defense/battle-for-ukraine/transcript-62/

MAPS

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-new-map-of-the-ukraine-conflict-is-alarming-2014-9#ixzz3DNb9bzdF

19 posted on 02/15/2015 5:22:12 AM PST by BCW (ARMIS EXPOSCERE PACEM)
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To: goldstategop

Well, it would’ve been easier if Moscow didn’t send the dregs of its society there to mess things up. But go ahead, when your neighborhood turns to crap, I’ll talk to you about Humpty Dumpty.


20 posted on 02/15/2015 5:24:23 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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