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State Senator Authors Resolution To Repeal Indiana's Ratification Of 17th Amendment
WBAA Public Radio ^ | February 9, 2015 | Network Indiana

Posted on 02/10/2015 9:45:33 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

An Indiana state senator wants to change the way US senators are elected.

Until the 17th Amendment was ratified a century ago, senators weren't elected directly, but by state legislatures.

Charlestown State Senator Jim Smith says the idea was to make senators responsive to their states‘ concerns.

He argues the switch to direct election has contributed to a shift in the balance of power from the states to the federal government.

Smith says it‘s separated senators from state concerns and made it harder to remove them.

"As the needs of the state of Indiana change," says Smith,"then we would essentially ask that our U.S. senators act in that manner."

Smith has introduced a resolution to rescind Indiana‘s ratification.

The measure wouldn't have any practical impact, even if all 50 states followed suit.

But Smith says it could start a debate over whether tor repeal the amendment.

He notes Indiana is at the forefront of a move to force a constitutional convention to discuss a balanced-budget amendment and questions of federal overreach, and says the resolution could generate momentum to get a repeal amendment on the agenda too.

The resolution had been set for a hearing this week, but Smith‘s pulled it while he tries to round up enough votes.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Indiana
KEYWORDS: 10thamendment; 17thamendment; articlev; congress; constitution; conventionofstates; indiana; legislature; ratification; repeal; states; ussenate
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1 posted on 02/10/2015 9:45:33 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

He better be careful. The national GOP doesn’t like anybody messing with the power structure.

Ask the last two GOP senate candidates from Michigan how fast the party threw them an anchor when they started that “crazy” talk.


2 posted on 02/10/2015 9:48:45 AM PST by cripplecreek ("For by wise guidance you can wage your war")
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Great idea in theory, but I don’t think the Constitution makes provision for “take-backs” when it comes to approving amendments.


3 posted on 02/10/2015 9:50:37 AM PST by Yashcheritsiy (It's time to repeal and replace the GOP)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

He should read the Constitution. There is no process for revoking ratification of an amendment.


4 posted on 02/10/2015 9:51:46 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Repeal the 16th and the 17th Amendments


5 posted on 02/10/2015 9:52:45 AM PST by Ray76 (Obama says, "Unlike my mum, Ruth has all the documents needed to prove who Mark's father was.")
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I agree with them in principle, but this is pure theater.


6 posted on 02/10/2015 9:55:03 AM PST by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

I’d be happy to do away with the statewide popular vote for senator and elect them by district.


7 posted on 02/10/2015 9:55:21 AM PST by cripplecreek ("For by wise guidance you can wage your war")
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To: Yashcheritsiy
Great idea in theory, but I don’t think the Constitution makes provision for “take-backs” when it comes to approving amendments.

There is no power granted to states to unratify Constitutional amendments. You can only reverse them through repeal amendments.

8 posted on 02/10/2015 9:57:09 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Je suis Charlie, you miserable Islamist throwbacks!)
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To: DoodleDawg
He should read the Constitution. There is no process for revoking ratification of an amendment.

Prohibition was repealed, though, so the thing could be undone.

9 posted on 02/10/2015 9:59:12 AM PST by BfloGuy ( Even the opponents of Socialism are dominated by socialist ideas.)
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To: Yashcheritsiy
Great idea in theory, but I don’t think the Constitution makes provision for “take-backs” when it comes to approving amendments.

Sure it does. The 21st amendment, for example, was the repeal of the 18th.

10 posted on 02/10/2015 10:01:14 AM PST by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: Yashcheritsiy
A new Amendment that repeals the earlier one is how we got legal drinking back after the 18th mad all such demonic beverages illegal.

It can be done, and I'm happy someone is finally trying to get the ball rolling on repealing the 17th.

11 posted on 02/10/2015 10:02:01 AM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Yashcheritsiy; All
Take-backs = repealing 17th Adm't. / De-Electing Corrupted
Washington D.C. Senators...and the repeal 16th, too.

12 posted on 02/10/2015 10:02:04 AM PST by skinkinthegrass ("Bathhouse" E'Bola/0'Boehmer/0'McConnell; all STINK and their best friends are flies. d8^)
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To: DoodleDawg

XXVIII

Amendment XVII to this document is hereby rescinded


13 posted on 02/10/2015 10:02:42 AM PST by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc.;+12, 73, ..... Obama is public enemy #1)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

It needs to happen.


14 posted on 02/10/2015 10:08:27 AM PST by Carry me back
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To: bert

That’s not recinding ratification of an existing amendment. That’s ratifying a new amendment that revokes a prior one.


15 posted on 02/10/2015 10:11:47 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I remember when several states tried to rescind their ratification of the entire Constitution.


16 posted on 02/10/2015 10:13:13 AM PST by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: BfloGuy
Prohibition was repealed, though, so the thing could be undone.

By passing a new amendment, the 21st, that repealed the existing 18th Amendment. But this guy is not proposing a new amendment to revoke the 17th, he's proposing to recind ratification of the 17th.

17 posted on 02/10/2015 10:15:53 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

The federal government was created by the several sovereign states of the American union to serve certain legitimate purposes of government best executed collectively, the primary and most obvious such function being national defense.
But socialist collectivists have turned government upside down and inside out, seriously compromising our Grand American experiment in self-government by the people, and in the process making we the people dependent servants of government.


18 posted on 02/10/2015 10:18:17 AM PST by Elsiejay
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To: Yashcheritsiy
Great idea in theory, but I don’t think the Constitution makes provision for “take-backs” when it comes to approving amendments.

Sure it does.
Constitutional Amendment conventions by 2/3 of the states.

Its necessity is becoming more and more obvious.

My choice of an absolute new requirement (Amendment)?

An absolute requirement and testing to eliminate the bottom 5% of the IQ curve.

That was an absurd notion when the Republic was formed.
The number of elected national leaders at first was a logical assumption and the leaders were, in fact, knowledgeable and competent.

Over the years, and as the country has "evolved," that number has slowly been reduced to a minuscule number.

I would bet anything that the percentage of the incompetent elected national leaders now exceeds 75%. Might that be WHY that option was included in the original Constitution?

Assuming you are an educated, knowledgeable, engaged and sane individual, as a drill, make a list of the members of the existing National Legislative branches whom you believe to be functional imbeciles (in the clinical sense.)

And let's not conflate wealth with competence. Specially inherited or illegally obtained after achieving office.

19 posted on 02/10/2015 10:21:28 AM PST by publius911 (Formerly Publius6961)
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To: DoodleDawg
He should read the Constitution. There is no process for revoking ratification of an amendment.

It sounds like he knows that. The article clearly says the measure would have not practical effect. But he hopes to start a movement amongst the states that might lead to an actual repeal effort.

20 posted on 02/10/2015 10:22:54 AM PST by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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