Posted on 02/03/2015 3:35:05 PM PST by cotton1706
And it's only February 3rd!
AZ, KS, MA, MN, MO, MT, ND, NE, NJ, NH, NM, OK, OR, PA, SC, SD, TN, TX, VA, WY.
In addition, three states actually passed applications last year, FL, AK and GA.
That's 23 out of 34 states well on their way!
“I do not understand why the supporters think the Republican state legislatures would be any different from the Republicans in the US Congress.”
Easy answer. You’re 100% invested in DC national politics and are completely unaware of what’s going on in your backyard, both in the state legislatures and the local city council.
When was the last time you organized your conservative neighbors to storm your local county board meeting to demand that property taxes be cut by 50%? Have you elected a pro-2nd amendment, Constitutional sheriff in your county?
If a Convention of the States is able to get 3/4 of the other states to ratify insane lefty amendments the country is already gone. We have nothing to lose and should do this while we have so many republican governors and state legislatures.
There are 00 Houses of state legislatures.
If 13 of them refuse to ratify, the amendment dies.
Sorry, folks, amendments will not save the country. Neither progressive nor conservative amendments can possibly be ratified.
“Even reaching agreement on Amendments to be proposed and their wording will be a lengthy process.”
Indeed. It took our Founders 25 years - 1750 til 1775 - before they reached critical momentum to take on King George III. No instant oatmeal solutions.
Guess we better get cracking on this. The Founders did leave us a blueprint to overthrow tyrants. We can start by creating a 21st century version of the 18th century Committees of Safety.
Conservativegranny: It will be extremely hard to pull this off in the two years we know we have control.
we’re getting there
Then its civil war.
This is really where we are at. Article V; peaceable divorce; or civil war.
This is NOT a Constitutional Convention. Read the Constitution and try to understand what is going on. Or go look for John Birch’s replacement instead. The Articles Congress in Philadelphia is not the same thing. at. all.
Deo Vindice.
Another illiterate? It is NOT a Constitutional Convention. Do you get that? -20?
Inside or outside the Beltway, bandit? Or John Bircher/ Lyndon LaRoucher?
Ratified by the States who called the Convention in the first place as a majority of the States? Not bloody likely, but nice try.
We are not talking about control of Congress. We are talking about state legislatures.
So let me see if I got this right. The idea here is for the states to convene directly to propose Amendments to the Constitutuon that (presumably since they are the ones proposing them) they would then ratify? Is that the general plan here?
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“So let me see if I got this right. The idea here is for the states to convene directly to propose Amendments to the Constitutuon that (presumably since they are the ones proposing them) they would then ratify? Is that the general plan here?”
Yes.
Article V is the end run way for states to pull power back to themselves in the event that the federal government ever got so way wacky out of control (as it has now). Our founding fathers were VERY wise and absolutely knew human nature, they knew that someday we might need this method to rebalance power and to prevent an un-civil war or absolute despotic tyranny of the federal government.
Article V
The Congress, whenever two thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states,
shall call a convention for proposing amendments,
which, in either case,
shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution,
when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states,
or by conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress;
provided that no amendment which may be made prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any manner affect the first and fourth clauses in the ninth section of the first article; and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate.
I never mentioned Congress. Where did I do that? The majority of state houses are controlled by us now. But, who knows by the time amendments come up for a vote.
If it happens, it will be after the 2016 elections, and who knows? We may get our clocks cleaned on the state level.
Awesome thanks. Here’s to hoping it goes all the way.
Exactly. Who knows? We could have even more states on the right side after 2016. Are you thinking that we should be guaranteed to have control for the next 20 years before we act?
I’m sorry if I misunderstood you as I never dreamed you could have been talking about having control over state governments for only two years. Many conservatives are working on the state and local levels now trying to vote out incumbents who are not living up to their promises and voting in more conservative repubs. I figured you had to be talking about federal government and the 2016 presidential election.
Wi has gone for the dems in the presidential elections for years yet the repubs have a majority in both houses of the legislature and have elected a repub gov twice now. Three times if you count the recall.
I think the founders did a pretty good job with the Constitution. After all, we lasted for over 200 years! Do you think they flubbed it on Article V?
We have two options left to get our Republic back. Washington is not going to reform itself. Voting in more repubs at the federal level isn’t working. The only thing left after that is Article V, the bullet or living under tyranny in a country we no longer recognize. What would you suggest?
Sorry, that should have been 99, not 00. Not sure how that happened.
So when they passed the bill of rights... was that a CON-CON too?
When they passed all those other amendments was that a CON-CON too?
IN THE CONSTITUTION:
There are two steps in the amendment process. Proposals to amend the Constitution must be properly Adopted and Ratified before becoming operative.
A proposed amendment may be adopted and sent to the states for ratification by either:
1. The United States Congress, whenever a two-thirds majority in both the Senate and the House of Representatives deem it necessary; or,
2. A national convention, called by Congress for this purpose, on the application of the legislatures of two-thirds (presently 34) of the states.
AND THEN IN ORDER TO RATIFY (Ratify means to make PART of the constitution for those who live in Rio Linda)
To become part of the Constitution, an adopted amendment must be ratified by either (as determined by Congress):
The legislatures of three-fourths (presently 38) of the states; or,
State ratifying conventions in three-fourths (presently 38) of the states.
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OMG we gotta protect the Constitution by Ignoring the Constitution!!!
WE MUST IGNORE OPTION 2 for PROPOSING AMENDMENTS! ONLY THE FEDERAL SENATE AND HOUSE ARE SMART ENOUGH TO PROPOSE AMENDMENTS!!!!! /SARC
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