Posted on 02/02/2015 4:21:34 PM PST by SeekAndFind
Republican Sen. Rand Paul is standing by his statement that most vaccinations should be "voluntary," telling CNBC that a parent's choice not to vaccinate a child is "an issue of freedom."
In an interview with the network Monday, Paul said that vaccines are "a good thing" but that parents "should have some input" into whether or not their children must get them.
And he gave credence to the idea - disputed by the majority of the scientific community - that vaccination can lead to mental disabilities.
"I have heard of many tragic cases of walking, talking normal children who wound up with profound mental disorders after vaccines," he said.
See, I think it’s strange to see Freepers repeating the same government talking points like good little fascists.
However, I can see why you feel that way. The government has always been so truthful and forthcoming about everything else. Especially the CDC, they couldn’t have been any more open and honest about Ebola.
Also, just because you keep repeating the word debunked, doesn’t make it true. Leftest love that word. They think if they repeat it enough times, some less informed people will start to believe it. Obviously, that is true.
Your own source claimed that he didn’t see the classic autism symptoms in the Amish community, but don’t let the facts get in your way.
Anti-vaxers tend to be upper-class leftists, who drive hybrid cars and buy organic. There's a book by an MIT prof called The Panic Virus, and he said if you want to find a pocket of anti-vaxers, look for the nearest Whole Foods and draw a circle around it, as the Prius driving hippies are the true believers.
Strange that you're at home with their kooky beliefs.
Well, you got 2 out of 4 correct.
I’m a upper-class conservative that drives a Chevy truck and grows or raises most of our organic food.
I’m am also the aunt to a vaccine damaged child, and all the government talking points from the so called experts are not going to change what I saw with my own eyes.
I really don’t understand how people can hear parent after parent swear that their child was completely normal until some kind of bad reaction to one of the shots, and then completely disregard what they have to say.
Also, no one claims there aren't risks or that you shouldn't listen to your doctor.
The organic food thing doesn't surprise me either. There seems to be a strong correlation between orthorexia nervosa and anti-vax sympathies. I'd gamble you've got some homeopathic products in your cupboard too, and that you've tried acupuncture.
Nope, no homeopathic products, and no acupuncture.
I don’t give a crap about Jenny McCarthy. I don’t know why you keep bring her up. I don’t even know anything about her.
You also keep talking about documented research. There is plenty documented research that supports the dangers of vaccines too.
However, the Vaccine Injury Compensation Trust Fund is the best documentation you can get.
Look, you're talking past me, probably intentionally, and trying to avoid the issue that I've been discussing. I've already said that no one claims there aren't risks.
The issue is, is there any scintilla of evidence that vaccines cause autism. The answer is no, and if you don't know who Jenny McCarthy is, then you aren't informed about the history of this controversy, and obviously haven't been paying attention.
I know it's absurd that a former PlayMate and current dimwit is at the center of a public health controversy, but that is the nature of things in a People Magazine society. Millions of women have listened to her and other anti-vax mouthpieces like Oprah, and public health is paying the price in outbreaks of diseases that were essentially eradicated decades ago. The measles outbreak has spread to 14 states, and no serious person is iffy about where to lay the blame.
Vaccines are a gift from God and one of the triumphs of mankind. And we're fortunate to live in a time when they are much, much safer than they used to be. Jenner did things that were morally questionable when testing the smallpox vaccine, and even up until the mid-20th century the smallpox vaccine had as high as a 1% negative reaction rate. But it eradicated a disease that killed 500 million people in the 20th century. Now, you have people screaming about unverified correlations between vaccines and negative reactions that are less than 1 in 1 million doses. That is not rational, nor is the 17th century Luddite aversion to vaccination that dominates the anti-vax cult.
Do you suffer from permanent brain damage?
Experiences tell me bad things can happen with vaccines and yes I’ve had a doctor stand there and tell me they don’t cause this type of reaction described in link. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3043874/posts?page=1
This has been a bad thread for anti-vaxers. For evidence, we've been given psychic powers and anecdotes about dogs reacting badly to a vaccine.
Repeating yourself? Let me guess, you used to be able to write coherently until you were vaccinated.
>> anti-vaxxers tend to come from the left and Hollyweird types <<
Don’t forget the trial lawyers: They have financed a lot of the anti-vax movement in the USA. It wouldn’t surprise me if they have even been sending trolls over here to FR in order to peddle their garbage.
On top of that, the British trial lawyers were in cahoots from the very beginning with the defrocked MD in England whose fraudulent article precipitated the whole vax-autism myth.
Wakefield's fraud lives on everywhere. It's been 17 years, so there's no excuse for still being ignorant about the evidence.
There are people here who automatically think that simply because the government recommends something, it must be bad. Perhaps they think seatbelts are a corporate-government conspiracy too. I'm against seatbelt laws for adults and forced vaccination, but it's pretty much a no-brainer that you can't send a kid to school without having his shots.
These people think they are liberty-loving skeptics, but they're actually Erin Brockovich/Alex Jones wannabes.
The anti-vaxxers are arguably responsible for the measles outbreak. But since these people aren't evidence-based, it's likely they'll blame that on a government conspiracy too.
Yes Really. It makes a point you obviously couldn't give a Tinker D about. Vaccine effect persons differently. Even CDC says so. But You The All Knowing GunRunner say otherwise. Vaccines are tried out on animals first. This was a Three In One Shot causing the issues. One Dog Owners say is the culprit. Now this year she had it again. But this year I insisted the Vet was going to take precautions. There was a Benadryl shot first then for three weeks I gave her Benadryl pills several times a day. The reaction was not as bad this time. Three in One Shots in kids are the ones most persons object too not vaccines themselves but you can't even get that through your head.
The Vet kept telling me it was too long after the shots and said maybe the Rabies shot did it. This Ratty is from a Chihuahua the Toy Ratty. Our other bigger one comes from Beagle. I've also noticed this year she's had a few seizures as well. Oh and for our forum vaccine expert confirmed seizure by Vet as he saw the video.
I have an idea. How about people quit arguing about it and take a different tact that satisfies all.
Change the ingredient complained about in the vaccine to something else.
One thing for sure, we would find out after time if the rate of autism went down.
I believe California did that when Arnold was still governor — Thimoseral was taken away.
Didn’t do any good.
It's obvious you're just deflecting here. You've made unsupportable statements about vaccines and autism that have no scientific or medical basis behind them. But when pressed you resort to platitudes like "vaccines have side effects" and "vaccines effect people differently", two inarguable and indisputable claims that no one is contesting.
Seeing you misdirect shows you're not serious about your prior statements, nor can you support them.
This makes me wonder how competent “Dr. Rand Paul” is:
From The Washington Post 11/08/2013:
“In the spring of 2010 stories first swirled around Sen. Rand Paul’s certification as an ophthalmologist by an outfit called the “National Ophthalmology Board,” an entity he founded. This week I discovered that while he continues to present himself as “board certified” the NOB has been out of business since 2011, and in any event, does not under Kentucky law permit him to advertise as “board certified.”
In 2010 Rand Paul explained that he formed the board in 1997 along with 200 young ophthalmologists to protest a decision by the American Board of Ophthalmologists to grandfather those who were certified by 1992, but to limit certification for a ten year period for those first certified after that date. Rand Paul fell within the latter group. He found that decision “discriminatory” and unfair so he set up the NOB along with his wife and father-in-law to certify himself. Despite calling itself “national,” it appears to have operated purely in Kentucky. The board remained in operation until 2000, when it was dissolved. It was reinstated in 2005. Since the certification story broke, the NOB again dissolved in 2011.”
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