Replacement theology teaches that the church is the replacement for Israel and that the many promises made to Israel in the Bible are fulfilled in the Christian church, not in Israel. So, the prophecies in Scripture concerning the blessing and restoration of Israel to the Promised Land are “spiritualized” or “allegorized” into promises of God's blessing for the church. Major problems exist with this view, such as the continuing existence of the Jewish people throughout the centuries and especially with the revival of the modern state of Israel. If Israel has been condemned by God, and there is no future for the Jewish nation, how do we explain the supernatural survival of the Jewish people over the past 2000 years despite the many attempts to destroy them? How do we explain why and how Israel reappeared as a nation in the 20th century after not existing for 1900 years?
The view that Israel and the church are different is clearly taught in the New Testament. Biblically speaking, the church is completely different and distinct from Israel, and the two are never to be confused or used interchangeably. We are taught from Scripture that the church is an entirely new creation that came into being on the day of Pentecost and will continue until it is taken to heaven at the rapture (Ephesians 1:9-11; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17). The church has no relationship to the curses and blessings for Israel. The covenants, promises, and warnings are valid only for Israel. Israel has been temporarily set aside in God's program during these past 2000 years of dispersion.
After the rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18), God will restore Israel as the primary focus of His plan and the Jews will be saved (Hosea 1, Zechariah 12, Romans 11, etc)!
God gave Israel to the Jews for all time. They might as well ban Jesus from Christianity if they’re going to ban Israel.
Perhaps a proponent of Supersessionism can tell me when God announced this?
Has a new book been added to the Bible recently?
“Liberal” Christians? What that be?
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The Left, satanists, have taken the media, education, both political parties, upper military leadership, half the public and soon the churches (churches run by men). What’s left?
Bullcrap! As if the Muzzies hate Jews because of what a few Christians believe. Has this guy never heard of Islam?
Jews gave Christianity to the world.
Isaiah 4:1 And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach.
The Free Presbyterian, PCA, and Orthodox Presbyterian churches are still sound.
The Presbyterian Church, USA is becoming ;like the Unitarian-Universalist Church, a left-wing social organization which has little to do with religion in any traditional sense.
Most Christians today subscribe to theology that believes “Israel” refers to the body of believers in Christ, and not to the modern state of Israel.
It’s rather repugnant and dishonest to jump into comparisons with Hitler and smearing them all with claims to anti semitism.
Yes, you can still support modern Israel and Jews even if you believe “There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.”
Supersessionism is not a recent teaching, nor is it necessarily heretical. In fact, supersessionism has been common throughout the history of Christianity and remains a common assumption among Christians, since the Holocaust it has been rejected by mainstream Christian theologians and denominations.
Forms of supersessionism were taught by Hippolytus, Origen, Justin Martyr, and Augustine.
Genesis 12:3 “I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you.”
Fools.
Israel is to the Church as the caterpillar is to the butterfly.
....The view that Israel and the church are different is clearly taught in the New Testament. Biblically speaking, the church is completely different and distinct from Israel, and the two are never to be confused or used interchangeably. We are taught from Scripture that the church is an entirely new creation that came into being on the day of Pentecost and will continue until it is taken to heaven at the rapture (Ephesians 1:9-11; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17). The church has no relationship to the curses and blessings for Israel. The covenants, promises, and warnings are valid only for Israel. Israel has been temporarily set aside in God's program during these past 2000 years of dispersion.
Historically speaking, none of the basic protestant eschatologies - pre, mid or postmil - have ever been held to be heretical by the orthodox church. As one FReeper summarized the issue, eschatology is not the hill you want to die on. Christology and soteriology are.
No Reformed, amillennial or postmillennial Christian that I know of believes that they're replacing the Jews in God's eschatology. In fact, it's the modern dispensationalist who thinks that the Jews have been replaced by the church until the church disappears in the rapture!
According to English and every other dispensationalist, the Church has replaced Israel until the rapture. The unfulfilled promises made to Israel are not fulfilled until after the Church is taken off the earth. Thomas Ice, one of dispensationalism’s rising stars, admits that the Church replaces Israel this side of the rapture: “We dispensationalists believe that the church has superseded Israel during the current church age, but God has a future time in which He will restore national Israel ‘as the institution for the administration of divine blessings to the world.’”Related threads:
-- From the thread Answering the "Replacement Theology" Critics (Part 1)“...the very category of ‘replacement’ is foreign to Reformed theology because it assumes a dispensational, Israeleo-centric way of thinking. It assumes that the temporary, national people was, in fact, intended to be the permanent arrangement.”
-- From the thread Replacing “Replacement” Theology"The historical premillennialist's view interprets some prophecy in Scripture as having literal fulfillment while others demand a semi-symbolic fulfillment. As a case in point, the seal judgments (Revelation 6) are viewed as having fulfillment in the forces in history (rather than in future powers) by which God works out his redemptive and judicial purposes leading up to the end. Rather than the belief of an imminent return of Christ, it is held that a number of historical events (e.g., the rise of the Beast and the False Prophet) must take place before Christ's Second Coming. This Second Coming will be accompanied by the resurrection and rapture of the saints (1 Thessalonians 4:15-18); this will inaugurate the millennial reign of Christ. The Jewish nation, while being perfectly able to join the church in the belief of a true faith in Christ, has no distinct redemptive plan as they would in the dispensational perspective. The duration of the millennial kingdom (Revelation 20:1-6) is unsure: literal or metaphorical."
-- From the thread Four Views on the Millennium
There is no secret rapture before Christ's return to judge. Christ-hating state of Isreal will not be given a pass.
Supersessionism is simply another of Satan’s attempts to thwart the plans of God. The Catholic Church and many others are simply being used as his pawns.
American Fundamentalist Protestants rally for the "poor Middle Eastern chrstians" who despise them and who are the most anti-Jewish (and anti-Fundamentalist Protestant) chrstians on earth. The view of the Coptic Pope quoted in the article is typical of all the ancient Middle Eastern churches.
The leftist anti-Zionists are correct about one thing: the "new testament" is a radical departure from the Torah and N'aKH. Fundamentalist Protestants don't see this because they grant the TaNa"KH such authority in interpreting it. But it is nevertheless true.