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Tracking Miles As Gas Tax Alternative Raises Fairness, Privacy Concerns
Los Angeles
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| December 06, 2013
| DAN WEIKEL
Posted on 12/06/2014 5:31:30 PM PST by Steelfish
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To: glorgau
Its impossible to believe that tracking wont be used against people once the information is being gathered. The federal government consistently demonstrates that if a technology or capability exists some federal agency will use it and abuse it regardless of rules, laws or the US Constitution.
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posted on
12/06/2014 6:38:03 PM PST
by
Iron Munro
(D.H.S. has the same headcount as the US Marine Corps with twice the budget)
To: Steelfish
My odometer is broken and my clunker has no gps.
Whatcha gonna do, bad boy?
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posted on
12/06/2014 6:46:55 PM PST
by
867V309
(Crusade: the only solution.)
To: BobL
Generally speaking, the gas tax does a very good job of this without needing to be adjusted.
Big vehicles, which damage roads more, tend to use more gas. A person owning a big vehicle pays more in taxes.
The rich tend to buy vehicles that are more luxurious and are usually less efficient. They pay more taxes.
If you drive a lot, you will buy a lot of gas and will pay more taxes.
All these concerns are built in the gas tax already.
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posted on
12/06/2014 6:48:39 PM PST
by
Jonty30
(What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
To: Jonty30
All these concerns are built in the gas tax already.
If we spent the green crony capitalist money on transportation, we could forget the gas tax altogether.
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posted on
12/06/2014 6:54:42 PM PST
by
867V309
(Crusade: the only solution.)
To: 867V309
Force you to fit a GPS, of course.
I have nothing to worry about - I have an old Jaguar and everyone ‘knows’ those things kill anything electronic attached to them. :D
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posted on
12/06/2014 6:56:06 PM PST
by
Spktyr
(Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
To: Spktyr
I have nothing to worry about - I have an old Jaguar and everyone knows those things kill anything electronic attached to them. :D
Lucas GPS? See you on the moon...
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posted on
12/06/2014 7:00:07 PM PST
by
867V309
(Crusade: the only solution.)
To: Jonty30
Agree...the ONLY ISSUE is that politicians don’t have the gonads to increase the gas tax to even account for inflation...and to also end diversions of that money (in Texas, 25% of our state gas tax goes to ‘education’; similar at the federal level, with 25% of the federal gas tax going to ‘reduce the deficit’).
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posted on
12/06/2014 7:00:17 PM PST
by
BobL
(I'm so old, I can remember when most hate crimes were committed by whites - Thomas Sowell, 2014)
To: 867V309
Nope. You can plug in the latest Garmin GPS and if you aren’t familiar with the old car’s ‘quirks’ it will be dead inside a week.
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posted on
12/06/2014 7:03:32 PM PST
by
Spktyr
(Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
To: Repeal The 17th
Look at what trucks have to file every quarter. IFTA tax. Have to track fuel usage, purchase etc per state and pay a tax if you bought in a cheaper state and drove in a higher taxed state. This is what these idiots will end up with. And of course it’ll cost more. Plus there will be cheaters everywhere.
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posted on
12/06/2014 7:12:44 PM PST
by
Aut Pax Aut Bellum
(It's only a matter of time now before SHTF.....)
To: ballplayer
As much as they can facilitate it, us. Of course that’s if we still ask for the service once the prices go astronomical.
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posted on
12/06/2014 7:13:58 PM PST
by
DoughtyOne
(GOP. GOPe. GOPeGads! GOPeWWWWWWWWWWWWW...)
To: Jonty30
Those are the ones who suffer the most whenever a gov’t bureaucracy decides to enforce a new regulation.
Yet, for the most part, they continue to vote for feeding these kind of regs.
To: BobL
i bet that money goes into the general fund and NOT dedicated for road repair
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posted on
12/06/2014 7:17:11 PM PST
by
Chode
(Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -w- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
To: Chode
i bet that money goes into the general fund and NOT dedicated for road repairIn my county last month we had a referendum on raising the sales tax 1/4 cent, supposedly to go to the schools.
BUT there was no legal requirement for the county to use the money for schools; legally, it just went into the general fund.
The tax increase was defeated.
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posted on
12/06/2014 7:23:45 PM PST
by
MUDDOG
To: MUDDOG
good on you! NY was a gas tax and all of it goes into the general slush fund
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posted on
12/06/2014 7:42:08 PM PST
by
Chode
(Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -w- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
To: Aut Pax Aut Bellum
IFTA tax. Have to track fuel usage, purchase etc per state and pay a tax if you bought in a cheaper state and drove in a higher taxed state. This is what these idiots will end up with. And of course itll cost more. Plus there will be cheaters everywhere.IFTA isn't a tax. It's a reconciliation of taxes paid, vs. taxes owed. It stands for International Fuel Tax Agreement, and was an agreement between the trucking industry and the states with respect to fuel taxes paid vs. due. Prior to IFTA, companies had to file for permits in, and file tax reports to, each and every state they drove in to pay these same taxes. IFTA isn't the problem. It was a reasonable solution to a problem.
It's quite different for average Joes just driving the family sedan cross-country.
You file that one report to your base jurisdiction and pay any amount due (or get your refund from) that same jurisdiction. Then all the funds sent to your base jurisdiction are sent to/received from the other jurisdictions via a clearing house. You pay no more in taxes than you would have the old way by filing in each and every state in which you drove.
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posted on
12/06/2014 7:46:23 PM PST
by
IYAS9YAS
(Has anyone seen my tagline? It was here yesterday. I seem to have misplaced it.)
To: Steelfish
As with all new taxes. The old gas tax will remain, the new mileage tax will be imposed. The state will be double dipping.
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posted on
12/06/2014 9:22:54 PM PST
by
SolidRedState
(I used to think bizarro world was a fiction.)
To: RetiredArmy
I refuse to even enter that state. Period! I am in the south, and I aint leaving. I live in the most conservative state in the Union, Alabama. We have a state government that the top 13 positions are republicans. The state senate and house are dominated by republicans. 8 of 9 Congress critters are republican I think it is. Both US Senators are republicans, with Jeff Sessions leading the way and the RINO in the other position. It is danged great to live here and you could not pay me millions to live in Kaliforniastan, or any other socialist homo state. I'm with you on that one! TN has a high sales tax but it's fair across the board, rather than an income tax that only taxes the working person. I haven't been out of TN in probably 10 years, except for a quick hop across the border into Georgia now and then. Now, if we could just get our farmers and government to stop worshiping illegals!
To: Steelfish
Among those who would be hardest hit by a mileage fee are owners of hybrids and electric cars I am by no means in favor of such a scheme... but the idea of some tree-hugger in their electric go-cart getting the same tax bill as anyone else who drove the same distance in a gas-guzzler makes me laugh out loud.
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posted on
12/07/2014 5:45:23 AM PST
by
grobdriver
(Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
To: Steelfish
No tax ever dies. If they get a mileage tax, it is certain they’ll keep the per gallon tax, too. You’ll end up paying both. Plus there is the little matter of retrofit or die for older vehicles. I have a few in their 40s or older, and I’m not chopping them up, and I’m not parking them, either.
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posted on
12/07/2014 5:48:52 AM PST
by
Smokin' Joe
(How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
To: reg45
In our state, there already is. The heavier a vehicle, the more it costs for registration.
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posted on
12/07/2014 7:36:07 AM PST
by
Smokin' Joe
(How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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