Posted on 12/05/2014 7:38:23 AM PST by Enterprise
NYPD sources confirm that Eric Garner was a player in an organized crime cigarette smuggling syndicate, Gotnews.com has learned.
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“Garner was setting up shop in front of the local stores and shaking down business owners and patrons as they entered,” says Cardillo.
Garner would use his considerable size to strong arm largely ethnic shopkeepers and was “on the radar” of local law enforcement who had arrested him previously.
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That is the logical conclusion one can draw by the emotional reactions on the left and right to this case. In the end, they want special rights for certain people, based on color or emotion.
Sorry but these facts are only being offered as an attempt to color the situation, they hold no bearing on the incident at all... The cops effed up big time, nothing more complicated than that.
All this other stuff is just character assassination in an attempt to provide some justification for what happened even though there is none.
“If you watch THE ENTIRE video, you will find out that the guy who died was guilty of NOTHING MORE than stopping a fight that happened outside his shop. All the other crap about cigarettes and the mob was stuff they dug up later”.
The guy that died did NOT own a shop.
The shop owner called the cops on Eric Garner.
With someone that big, you need all those people to make it happen. You can’t use pepper spray either. Just the vapor from it will incapacitate the officer enough to compromise their ability to put the suspect in custody.
A tazer is your best bet, followed by multiple folks holding the guy down. Generally, you put a knee across THE BACK of the neck until the guy is cuffed.
Once cuffed, you get him OFF HIS FACE, and into a sitting position. This is ESPECIALLY true if you’ve peppered him. The combo could cause death (being on their face and having some sort of respiratory distress - even mild distress can do it).
If you have to zip tie his legs and knees, do it. Just don’t leave him on his chest and face.
What I’ve never really understood is why you can’t use thorazine as a way of bringing a suspect under control and into custody. The only alternative beyond the tazer is your service weapon, or short of that several officers beating the suspect into unconsciousness or submission.
1 ketamine dart and you get a docile dude in pretty short order. The risk to the suspect is about on par with 40,000 volts in the chest causing a cardiac episode.
Ketamine, thorazine, take your pick. There are probably others. No mess, no smell, no icky cans. Just make sure one guy is shooting the dart gun. You hit a guy with more than two tranq darts and you will kill the guy.
I’m sure there’s a good reason why you can’t.
Yes, you can play technicality and semantics that he wasn’t actually choked until his brain died, but you cannot spin the fact the cop choked him and move that is not allowed by policy and that that choking contributed to his death... unless of course you are going to now go try to argue the coroners office faked the autopsy results for some grand conspiracy.
But I believe it is.
Actions have consequences.
Resisting arrest should not result in a death penalty, but Garner and his poor health and career choice pushed the envelope one too many times and the laws of probability took over.
Right and so would a lot of others today that merely resisted a force of cops and wound up dead. And I’m not talking about the one(s) who attacked a cop.
But I believe it is.
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Believe what you want. I’ll stick with the facts. The autopsy ruled that he was not choked to death and his death was due to cardiac arrest.
Maybe the coroner is lying too to cover the lying cops. If you wanna believe that, go ahead.
Thus the no bill from the grand jury.
Anyone who watches the video can see the exact moment Eric has the heart attack. I contend he would of had the heart attack regardless of the fact that he was put in a headlock for 15 seconds and was released one second after saying he couldn't breathe.
The fact is, he resisted arrest. Then the police did exactly what the protesters have been asking! Then used NON LETHAL means to arrest him! The fact the the fat guy had a heart attack while they were employing those means to subdue him is not relevant.
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That’s your opinion and characterization of this incident and these facts.
My opinion of this incident and my characterization of these facts is that his lifestyle lead directly to his death.
Maybe others will learn from his mistakes.
Because, yeah, he made quite a number of those.
Just the fact that he was a cigarette dealer trying to peel of customers from store owners lead to the police being called which lead to his death.
Putting one’s head in the sand because one doesn’t like to hear the truth is neither useful or helpful.
Time to grow up.
When was the last time you bought moonshine, or bootleg liquor?
If the taxes are set at an appropriate rate, there is no profit motive for a black market. And little incentive for the otherwise law abiding to enter it.
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And what do you do when the taser kills him too...
His arrest record would seem to back up those allegations.
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Awesome comment!
The main reason to support marijuana legalization is to rake in all the free money (taxes). The fact the Cartels will undercut sales on the Black Market (Just like mobsters are doing in NYC with cigarettes) is another problem for another day.
But hey. Who cares? Lets legalize pot and grow the gubmint into a huge killing machine with cops as tax collecters!
A great big THANK YOU, Dilbert.
That was my entire point. No one deserves to die at the hands of another. Sadly, these single, UNRELATED, deaths were the consequence of a all-too-common tribal mentality.
Yes, even the youngster in Cleveburg who, in my personal estimation was only doing what he saw every other older kid doing “in the ‘hood”; i.e., pick up yo gat and use it. (Again, I will emphasize “my personal estimation”!).
Oh you better believe it.
Using the tazer is a documented, well-established, and trained-for alternative in the compliance continuum.
The principle concept behind use of force doctrine:
“Minimum force necessary to compel compliance.”
If the police had probable cause to make an arrest, or an actual warrant for arrest, then they can take the man into custody by informing him he is under arrest, informing him of the charge, and then asking him to comply.
To the extent he refuses, you can start working your way up that continuum until they comply, or until in the course of compliance, you feel you life or safety is in imminent danger.
Choke holds are not a part of the compliance continuum. They aren’t. The NYPD used them. That’s it. Game over. The officers are trained on this continuum. They have to take tests to make grade. There’s no way around this.
If the taser killed him, then you chalk it up to too much baby back ribs and mourn his passing.
If you choke him out, well, then its homicide, and the only thing left to consider is what kind of homicide it is: from ‘justifiable’ through ‘negligent’ through ‘manslaughter’ to ‘murder’.
Custody is a legal term. It means that the police officer has become responsible for the SAFETY of the suspect until custody of that suspect has been transferred to the precinct, or to a detention facility. If a suspect dies in your custody, then the officer who collared him is responsible for his death.
The grand jury massively screwed up here, but not before the NYPD screwed up in taking out the dude who put the choke hold on him and whacked him back down to traffic. Use of force is THE ISSUE du jour right now. It is totally out of hand.
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