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Con: [MN] Transgender policy defies common sense
Minneapolis Star Tribune ^ | 12/3/14 | JOHN D. HAGEN JR.

Posted on 12/04/2014 3:19:30 AM PST by rhema

It’s a matter of common sense that putting boys in a girls’ locker room would create confusion, anxiety and discomfort. It’s a matter of common sense that boys, with their greater muscle mass, should not be allowed to compete on girls’ athletic teams. Those norms are self-evident to an overwhelming majority of the public.

On Thursday, the Minnesota State High School League (MSHSL) will vote on abolishing those norms of common sense. A pending policy would end the traditional rule of dividing athletes by biological gender. Instead, it would grant boys with a “deeply felt internal sense” of being female the right to compete on girls’ teams.

The policy is meant to look as if it gives schools a measure of discretion. But it contains a clause that any capable lawyer can drive a truck through. It virtually guarantees that any school denying a boy the right to compete as a girl will face a lawsuit.

The policy calls for schools to review particular matters (for example, statements from parents and teachers). Then it states: “When there is confirmation of a student’s consistent and uniform gender-related identity or any other evidence that the gender-related identity is sincerely held as part of the person’s core identity, the student will be eligible” to play on his team of choice (emphasis added).

Any lawyer can tell you that such language generates lawsuits. The disjunctive “or,” the boundless “any other evidence” and the mandatory “will be eligible” are potent grounds for a claim. The clause would grant boys a right to play as girls virtually on demand.

(Excerpt) Read more at startribune.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Extended News; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: athletics; highschool; homosexualagenda
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1 posted on 12/04/2014 3:19:30 AM PST by rhema
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To: rhema

This is the next assault on moral and social order. A homogeneous people, undefined by gender or age. This is becoming prevalent in the Black community already, like the decay of the family and sexual morality; music, language, etc. it will wick its way into mainstream.


2 posted on 12/04/2014 3:29:03 AM PST by GreensKeeperWillie (There are things so foolish that only intellectuals can believe them. - George Orwell)
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To: rhema

Look-at-my-crotch alert!


3 posted on 12/04/2014 3:30:41 AM PST by VRW Conspirator (Es Mi Partido, Ahora!)
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To: GreensKeeperWillie

The Obama administration won’t be satisfied until everybody is acting worse than barnyard animals. At least barnyard animals know the difference between male and female, and they take care of their young.


4 posted on 12/04/2014 3:40:45 AM PST by abclily
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To: rhema

Click the pic to the full-text Free Republic thread.

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5 posted on 12/04/2014 3:42:08 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: rhema

How can we expect the capitalist dogs and evolutionary throwbacks of the superstitious masses to understand the glorious advancement of the new collective?

Eventually nature will have her way and the great and glorious new collective will emerge triumphant over its evolutionary competitors, who are not even deemed worthy to be assimilated into the collective.


6 posted on 12/04/2014 3:47:22 AM PST by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: rhema

nothing will stop this idiocy until the lib lefties force girls who think they are boys onto high school and college football teams.

Then the ol’ boy network will rebel


7 posted on 12/04/2014 3:52:12 AM PST by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: rhema

Common sense has been outlawed by executive order.


8 posted on 12/04/2014 4:22:05 AM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: rhema

I apologize for my generation in pushing this.

Clearly, to any rational person, believing oneself to be a different sex is a mental disorder.


9 posted on 12/04/2014 4:43:13 AM PST by Crazieman (Article V or National Divorce. The only solutions now.)
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To: rhema

If those silly girls are uncomfortable with that there must be something wrong with them.

If someone wants to play dress-up at home I don’t care; but don’t insist that the rest of the world has to play it with you.


10 posted on 12/04/2014 5:02:14 AM PST by logic101.net (How many more children must die on the altar of gun free zones?)
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To: Crazieman

“Clearly, to any rational person, believing oneself to be a different sex is a mental disorder.”

How do you figure when there have always been intersexed humans?

You do realize all males begin fetal development as females until and unless there is an XY chromosome and the XY chromosome is fully successful in completing the male development without an abnormality. Any physical impairment of full male development of the initial female fetus results in physical and/or mental female characteristics being present in an otherwise chromosomal male.


11 posted on 12/04/2014 5:06:23 AM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX

Your entire argument is voided by female to male trannies.

And again, in error, are rarities and disordered, and should be treated as such. Not with radical surgery.


12 posted on 12/04/2014 5:10:54 AM PST by Crazieman (Article V or National Divorce. The only solutions now.)
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To: rhema

I love it when one certified victims groups’ claims clash with another’s demands.
Good. Let’s have more men-minus-weewees join girls’ teams posing as girls and let the feminazis try to figure out what to do.


13 posted on 12/04/2014 5:26:22 AM PST by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible. Complicit in the destruction of this country.)
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To: rhema

“When there is confirmation of a student’s consistent and uniform gender-related identity or any other evidence that the gender-related identity is sincerely held as part of the person’s core identity...”

So how the he’ll do you determine that unless you use the same “gender stereotypes” as a yard stick that you idiots say are sexist?!

It’s just a huge circle of insanity.


14 posted on 12/04/2014 5:29:45 AM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: rhema
this is a post I wrote a while back that addresses the bizarreness of our cultural and medical response to the construct called transgender.

THE PATIENT MAKES THE DIAGNOSIS

It is nice to see some movement on a subject that has been mired in 1950's psychology. It is interesting that a such a "disease" that requires such drastic mutilation, has not been researched using post-millennial tools and techniques. When someone is "diagnosed" as transgender where are the CAT scans, MRIs, blood work, DNA work and other diagnostic techniques that would search for biological causation? None.

Where are the psychological diagnostic instruments that would confirm or deny? None.

Where are the trials of antipsychotics, antianxiety agents and psychotherapy to test the contents of the patient's beliefs? None.

Where is the research about diagnostic decisions trees that include biological paradigms? None.

Instead we are told that the patient makes the diagnosis. Because they have felt like the opposite sex from their DNA since they can remember. Not accounting for the fact that in delusional processes, the past is incorporated in the delusions i.e.: when I treat the secretary who thinks she is the Queen of England, although her delusional onset may be recent (within a matter of months or days, at times) her delusions will include memories of being a child-queen, for acute delusional processes are often seamless.

Parents who arrive at schools and clinics with children dressed and raised as their DNA opposites are hailed as brave instead of studied as classic cases of Munchhausen by Proxy where parents seek attention by making up and believing the child is different, ill or diseased and providing symptoms and evidence to back the parent's need.

McHugh is doing a service by raising these important issues in a world blinded by political correctness that engenders fear

15 posted on 12/04/2014 5:35:20 AM PST by Chickensoup (Leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: Crazieman

“Your entire argument is voided by female to male trannies.”

That is a false statement. There are separate fetal development factors for females as well.

“And again, in error, are rarities and disordered, and should be treated as such. Not with radical surgery.”

I commented only about your “mental disorder’ comment and nothing further. All humans are born with some measure of “rarities and disordered” physiology. What is to be done or not done about any given physiological and/or mental deviation from a subjective or objective norm, sexual or non-sexual, is subject to controversy. FWIW, exceptional sexual physiology and/or mental sexual identity does not necessarily impair other mental faculties or behavior any more than the mental faculties of more conventional norms. On the contrary, many humans in general compliance with certain sexual norms will be mentally ill with psychoses or neuroses not present in a particular transgendered person. Future research may even go so far someday as to determine some transgendered persons are more mentally well adjusted with regard to compassion and other measures of mental fitness than many heterosexuals and homosexuals exhibiting extremes of sexual and social behavior.


16 posted on 12/04/2014 5:38:17 AM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX

Yup. One of those that like to bend reality to fit how the feel. How nice.


17 posted on 12/04/2014 5:39:43 AM PST by Crazieman (Article V or National Divorce. The only solutions now.)
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To: Crazieman

“Yup. One of those that like to bend reality to fit how the feel. How nice.”

On the contrary, if you would listen to yourself you could see how you are the person who chooses “to bend reality to fit how [you] feel. You have no doubt met and/or worked with transgendered, transsexual, and intersexed persons one or more times in your lifetime without ever recognizing or knowing them to be so. Yet you would “bend reality” to ridicule and hold all transgendered and intersexed people without distinction in the same contempt, ridicule, and lack of respect or compassion as heterosexual and homosexual people who are guilty of pedophilia, rape, or other sexual crimes associated with having a “mental disorder” associated with such criminal conduct.

Then, when you are shown how your indiscriminate bashing of a whole group of persons does not comport with the medical evidence, you try to bully with more ridicule and scorn through a lot of name-calling, the last refuge of a bigot.

There is abundant scientific, medical, moral, and religious reasons to criticize the events in Minnesota, to say the least for some very obvious reasons. However, bigotry and bullying for true or false reasons is not a demonstration of Christian morality.


18 posted on 12/04/2014 6:41:33 AM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX
You do realize all males begin fetal development as females until and unless there is an XY chromosome and the XY chromosome is fully successful in completing the male development without an abnormality. Any physical impairment of full male development of the initial female fetus results in physical and/or mental female characteristics being present in an otherwise chromosomal male.

Do you realize how rare such people are? And even then, that the only chromosomal defect that results in feminized men is Klinefelter's?
The issues with transgenders are hugely mental issues, not physical.

BIID
19 posted on 12/04/2014 7:02:05 AM PST by Svartalfiar
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To: rhema

As one Twitter user said; if you have indoor plumbing, you play on the girls’ team. If you have outdoor plumbing, you play on the boys’ team.


20 posted on 12/04/2014 8:33:40 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("Compromise" means you've already decided you lost.)
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