Posted on 12/03/2014 11:28:41 AM PST by dead
A New York City grand jury has declined to indict an NYPD officer in the chokehold case of Eric Garner, the unarmed man who died while being arrested on Staten Island earlier this year.
In opting not to indict, the panel determined there was not probable cause that a crime was committed by NYPD officer Daniel Pantaleo, who was seen on a widely watched amateur video showing him wrapping his arm around Garner's neck as Garner yelled, "I can't breathe!" during the summer altercation.
(Excerpt) Read more at nbcnewyork.com ...
Ever since Al Sharpton has become co-mayor, not to mention co-President, NYPD has been in the sights. It’s actually the black people in these black neighborhoods who are begging for more enforcement. They want to be able to walk along the street to the neighborhood store without being surrounded by creeps and thugs, and they also want good living conditions. Such as those that de Blasio enjoys with his police escort, the escorts for all of his staff, etc...
The guy who was shot in a dark stairwell by a scared rookie last week was shot because the stairwell was pitch black - although the residents had been asking the city for weeks to replace the bulb. Personally, if I lived there, I would have gone out and replaced it myself, but the people who live in the projects aren’t accustomed to doing anything for themselves. At the same time, you have to realize that they (unless they’re criminals, which most of them are not) want to have a decent life too, they’ve been rendered incompetent by the welfare culture, so they’re asking for help in achieving it.
Eric Garner was not helping his “community” and is neither a hero nor a victim.
Clearly? Hardly.
What should officers have done with a vociferously resisting, non-compliant arrestee of Garner’s size? Just waved him goodbye? When officers make the decision to legally arrest, that decision must be followed through. This incident is fully on Garner’s head.
Why do you bring up “pre-existing” health conditions? Are NY police now supposed to be imbued with supernatural powers of omniscience regarding every individual’s health history?
It’s the same with the “unarmed” nonsense. That status cannot be ultimately determined until AFTER the fact. All officers have to go on is aggressive, assaultive behavior exhibited by the perp.
Exactly. This doesn’t fit the liberal agenda/narrative The perp was defending the sale of eeeeeeevil tobacco AND UNTAXED ones to boot which IS a mortal sin here in New York state.
Not defending the perp but there would have been an indictment had he pulled a Michael Brown. Had Officer Wilson’s trial been up here in uber leftist NY, he would have unquestionably been indicted hands down.
“If you happen to think a law is stupid, unjust, or unfairly applied, the time to fight it is not when the authorities are in the process of arresting you.”
How’d that work out for the Jews in Germany and the Non-true believing communists in the Soviet Union?
Just wait until the police force is nationalized
-—”I watched the video....I don’t agree with your conclusion”
Plz explain your point.
While I would like to side with the police, I only see mild resistance to arrest. I would like to know what you saw that was different.
Unlike Mike Brown in Ferguson, I actually feel sorry for this guy.
Perhaps the Grand Jury has more info than we do, but this seems like an illogical judgement.
You’re wasting your time—they don’t care.
You don’t think the officer caused his death? So you think that by strange coincidence had the cops not apprehended him he would have fallen down dead in the street all on his own?
Yes I have and yes they sure do.
The Principal has been smoking weed again.
I said, "A regular jury should have looked at all the facts here, including Garner's pre-existing health conditions at (meant "and") the officer's actions."
In a regular (not grand jury) trial, his preexisting health conditions would have been relevant to his cause of death (possibly exculpatory to the policeman) not the reasons for his arrest.
This is not complicated, I don't know why you would question it.
There's only one problem with that: Noo Yawkers tend to foul their nest, then they move to new nests and foul them, too.
Look at all the "river-jumpers" moving to Pennsylvania then raising taxes to support them. Look at all the "snowbirds" who are changing the landscape (literally and figuratively) in Florida.
In each case, they fly to escape the mess they themselves have made. Once they land, they demand the same services they enjoyed in Noo Yawk, and taxes rise to meet their demands.
The same thing happens with every Leftist urban hellhole, but Noo Yawk is the gold standard for Socialism.
Accoring to Al_Baby at #51, there are sometimes issues with blacks dying in chocking situations where a white person wouldn't die, because of 20x more blacks having Sickle Cell Trait than white people, and the Sickle elss impairs their ability to recover from constriction of arteries and so forth. Lord have mercy.
This is a case where I thing the Grand Jury should return an indictment just so the community can get all the facts. Not the whole purpose, but of the purpose of a trial, I think, is so that the citizenry can be satisfied that justice was done.
NBC was worried about them last night; at the tree lighting ceremony.
That’s an interesting point about the Grand Jury. I was listening to KDKA on and off (weak reception) yesterday evening, while driving home, and the talk show host quoted some astonishing statistics regarding the success District Attorneys have in persuading Grand Juries to indict or not indict.) I don’t recall the exact numbers, but what it boils down to is that if the DA wants a case against a non-cop to go to trial, it almost always does. But in cases against police officers, the cases virtually never go to trial. You can call the Grand Jury a rubber stamp, or maintain that DA’s simply know how to manipulate Grand Juries — the results are the same either way. This brings up a strong suspicion of conflict of interest, as DA’s generally work very closely with police.
Having been on a jury in a case where I later wondered “how did this even go to trial?” (the evidence / case was so weak) I now understand better.
I do not have a solution for poor cases against non-police citizens being pushed through the Grand Jury process by a DA. But where the accusation is against a police officer, and gets to a Grand Jury, it seems to me that a completely independent prosecutor is required.
Otherwise you may have the situation as once stated by John. W. Campbell (to paraphrase): It is not actually power itself that corrupts, it is immunity.
They will be: sooner or later.
So will we...
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