The desensitization training worked perfectly.
Posted on 12/01/2014 2:45:14 PM PST by Raymann
The shooting happened just after midnight, back on May 16, 2010.
A SWAT team had conducted a raid to search for a murder suspect. Weekly ended up being first through the door.
There was even a film crew on hand to film for a reality show about murder investigations. Weekley says that another SWAT member had thrown a flash-bang grenade, which temporarily blinded him. That’s when he fired the shot that killed Aiyana who was asleep on the couch in the front room of the house.
Doubling down on this claim, in court he actually testified that Aiyana’s grandmother had somehow “touched” his gun, which made him fire the shot. But he failed to explain how he could tell she had done this when he claimed he couldn’t see anything at the time.
The prosecution noted that even having his finger on the trigger of his submachine gun was improper. “He could have avoided injury if he had followed his training,” Assistant Wayne County Prosecutor Robert Moran explained.
“He didn’t, and as a result of him not following his training and not following the mandates of ordinary care, someone was killed.”
But ultimately, the arguments and reason didn’t win out.
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I get angry over stupid opinions that suggest cops should not be accountable for their mistakes, and careless choices.
I get angry because idiots make it too easy for cops to screw up, because those same idiots don’t see any need to question cops.
I get angry when pigs, and I mean just that, harm people and never learn from their mistakes. They just whitewash and repeat, because there is almost never a price for the officers to pay. Cops don’t fear making mistakes. They’ve gotten careless, even with the most violent form of LE activity.
And if you don’t want people to respond to your post, don’t make them. People like you make it easy for cops to make mistakes like this, and never face consequences for it. YOU are the reason this happens so much. If not for your kind, these SWAT raids would have been reigned in. But because it isn’t you and yours, you don’t care what they do to others.
I notice you didn’t counter anything I had said.
“From Wikipedia: A SWAT team is a group of highly trained police officers who deal with very dangerous criminals. SWAT is an acronym that means Special Weapons And Tactics.
I would say that if you were to attract a SWAT team that would be grounds for considering you a VERY, very dangerous criminal. “
Go pay attention. This is not how SWAT is being used anymore. Only a fraction of their activities is for unusual situations.
1. No reason to "counter" angry emotion. Nothing to say except "calm down, fella, calm down."
2. I don't MAKE anyone do anything. Who said I did?
3. Who said that if it isn't me and mine that I don't care what they do to others? I didn't say that either.
4. You make blanket statement about ALL cops: GOOGLE: In 2008, local police departments had about 593,000 full-time employees, including 461,000 sworn officers.
SO, you know what all one million law enforcement people are thinking. You must be some mind reader or have SOME crystal ball.
Well, I live in a large urban area and that IS what they are being used for. Or do you assume to know what every single SWAT team in the country is doing?
Imagine what its like in Atlanta. There must be at least a hundred streets with Peachtree as part of the name and that’s not counting the N, S, E, W, NE, NW, SE, SW, either.
How would you know that?
Anyone who didn't like your face or what you said or what you did could set you up real good. In addition, cops make mistakes routinely.
And that would certainly not be the first time any of these scenarios occurred.
I wasn’t breaking the law, I was sitting in my house. I just made up those examples, and if I was rolling a joint I would have been breaking the law, but if I was cleaning my gun, no.
And it was a 2 family house, the alarm only protected the landlord’s home.
I get that the cop really didn’t do anything wrong and he probably wouldn’t have shot me, but it was still kind of scary. He was taken aback also, he may not have realized it was a two family house, although he should have since all the houses in that area are like that.
BS...LE commando swat units should only be used for major crimes such as murder, hostage rescue, and only for very dangerous individuals who are suspected of being extremely violent or have a history of it.
They are clearly being used for incidents which are far less serious.
“BS...LE commando swat units should only be used for major crimes such as murder, hostage rescue, and only for very dangerous individuals who are suspected of being extremely violent or have a history of it.
They are clearly being used for incidents which are far less serious.”
In this case, it was used for murder. But even so, they were careless. And what gives with the recent use of smoke bombs? Ya, let’s make it harder to see anything. That way we can used to “I couldn’t see clearly” defense, even though they caused it in the first place.
It is real simple. Wrong house raid, and booger finger on the bang switch. Gross incompetence. Anyone else would go down for such a serious level of poor judgement.
I agree. I found myself in similar situations in Iraq. "Wrong house" happens, that's why you want to minimize the damage while still overwhelming the occupants. It can definitely be done, it just has to be done properly. Practice, training. Carelessly killing a little girl b/c you're too stupid to keep your finger off the trigger unless you've ID'd a real threat? That's jail time. SWAT teams should be held to a higher standard what with their "elite" status. There's no excuse for this to happen with them.
“I agree. I found myself in similar situations in Iraq. “Wrong house” happens, that’s why you want to minimize the damage while still overwhelming the occupants. It can definitely be done, it just has to be done properly. Practice, training. Carelessly killing a little girl b/c you’re too stupid to keep your finger off the trigger unless you’ve ID’d a real threat? That’s jail time. SWAT teams should be held to a higher standard what with their “elite” status. There’s no excuse for this to happen with them. “
SWAT has become keeping up with the Jones, police style. The big city has a SWAT, so to be a REAL police force, Podink Nowhere has to have one too. Research has shown most of this nation’s SWAT teams have little effort or resources for proper recruitment, training, or even a valid mission. That is one of the misuse of SWAT. If kept only for special situations, most would sit and do nothing, not even having the funds for proper training. Suddenly, the bar for using SWAT drops like a stone.
Add to that, most of these SWAT guys are just thrill seeking adrenaline junkies. What other attraction is there to SWAT work? You know you are going to be acting violently toward people, including innocent people. The want to play soldier. But they don’t have the stones to do it in the military, where the odds of someone actually offering violence back goes up. They literally don’t know what they are doing.
And ya, they should be held to a standard equal to the extreme violence and danger their misuse creates. If they can’t handle that level of responsibility, and want protected from it, then clearly they are not confident in their own professionalism and expertise.
That’s why I said, they’re clearly being used for incidents much less serious. The posters inferred or suggested they weren’t.
In this incident it was not only a search for a murderer, but they located the suspect upstairs.
Yeah, but this isn't Iraq and Americans are not enemy combatants.
BTW, regardless of training, sh*t can happen and does happen. It's why I mentioned in #68, these teams should only be used when it involves those suspected of being very violent individuals or those with a history of violence. In this incident they were on target, located the suspect, and still screwed some innocent out of their life.
The desensitization training worked perfectly.
Funny thing about that. Turns out the guy they were after lived in a different apartment.
Nothing over the top about that post.
Why not answer the points raised, rather than trying to be like Dr. Phil?
An innocent little girl whose childhood was cut short.
The police officer is not the only one to blame, though. I just read more about this story, and sure enough, both the girl’s father and a man living at the house had been involved in a murder, and both had criminal pasts. If they hadn’t engaged in crime, a police force wouldn’t have had to come to the house for them. And this little girl probably would be alive.
Neither were the vast majority of the people we encountered in our raids in Iraq. You think the SWAT guys run off some bad intel? I guarantee you they got nothing on us! We'd go into a house genuinely not sure if it was the right place. That's why we seized control through overwhelming the people inside, but we didn't harm them, and we didn't smash up their house. Even if we did smash something, we'd pay restitution for it--something that SWAT teams seem very disinclined to do. My Platoon seized houses in raids violently and overwhelmingly without breaking anything or anyone with almost a 100% success rate. The only time we would go full "game on" is if we took contact. Even then, target discrimination is a big deal. Any idiot can pull the trigger on the first thing he sees moving. We (and cops and especially SWAT) should be held to a higher standard due to the theoretical practice we put in to get that good. Is it dangerous? Hell yes. That's why we get the training, the equipment, and the big bucks.
These teams should only be used when it involves those suspected of being very violent individuals or those with a history of violence
I agree, but you're talking about a justification statement. That's easy to pencil whip. There needs to be real teeth in penalties against these guys, to holding SWAT members and their superiors accountable for their decisions and their actions. That doesn't have to involve major second-guessing and sharpshooting every step, but if a 7-yr old is killed in a raid that could've been executed without anyone getting hurt, then someone needs to pay dearly for it.
Look at the raid that badly burned a small kid b/c the SWAT idiot tossed a flashbang into the kid's crib. What did that grenade accomplish that simply smashing the door open and flowing into the room couldn't? Well, it's cool and badass to throw flashbangs in a raid, right? In the 50 or so raids I did overseas, I think we used flashbangs two or three times. It's a tool, not a toy, and there's no repercussions against the clown that tossed that grenade for no reason. The lack of accountability with these guys is really disconcerting. I'm appalled that my Soldiers and I were held to a higher standard (both internally and externally) in a real combat zone than cops in ninja outfits in Podunk, OK, are.
I'm with you 100%.
You don’t read too much news.
Swat teams raid grannies all the time.
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