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Democrat: Obama Should Do What He Wants and Let the Courts Decide If It’s Legal
pjmedia.com ^ | November 19, 2014

Posted on 11/20/2014 2:53:47 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe

The Democrats have rolled out a couple of dishonest talking points in support of Obama’s executive order amnesty. One is that Presidents Reagan and Bush 41 both used executive orders on immigration. What that ignores is that both were cleaning up a law duly passed by Congress. In this case, Obama is explicitly acting because Congress won’t bend to his royal will.

The new talking point, trotted out here by Rep. James Clyburn (D-SC) is that this executive order is just like Abraham Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation, and that Obama should do it and then just let the courts decide whether his act is legal or not. Rob a bank — see if you get caught!

Seriously, that’s pretty much what he told MSNBC today. Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) has reportedly made similar remarks.

This is just more Democrat trolling of the American people.

Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation was a wartime move made in order to preserve the union, a large part of which was in a state of military rebellion at the time. The Democrats started that war and sustained it, by the way.

As Lincoln wrote to New York Tribune editor Horace Greeley in 1862, his paramount goal was preserving the Union.

I would save the Union. I would save it the shortest way under the Constitution. The sooner the national authority can be restored; the nearer the Union will be “the Union as it was.” If there be those who would not save the Union, unless they could at the same time save slavery, I do not agree with them. If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time destroy slavery, I do not agree with them. My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that.

Lincoln was resolutely and publicly against slavery. The Republican Party was founded to destroy slavery. But Abraham Lincoln recognized that as vile as slavery was, his paramount duty as president was to preserve the Union, and restore it once the war was over.

After the war, Lincoln was so concerned that the Emancipation Proclamation stood that he had it codified into the Constitution as the 13th Amendment. That took an act of Congress and ratification by the states. The Democrats fought emancipation and equality for more than a century.

Suffice it to say, the Emancipation Proclamation is not even close to what Barack Obama is doing. He is intentionally bypassing Congress to favor non-citizens who have violated the law, and his interest is far from preserving the country. He fully intends to divide the country and provoke outrage. His Democratic Party is to some extent reprising its historic role as a nasty, bitter and divisive force in American politics.


TOPICS: Extended News
KEYWORDS: aliens; imperialpresidency; jamesclyburn; kritocracy; obama; oligarchy; southcarolina
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1 posted on 11/20/2014 2:53:47 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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2 posted on 11/20/2014 2:55:06 PM PST by Diogenesis
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Democrat: Obama Should Do What He Wants and Let the Courts Decide If It’s Legal We believe in tyranny. Nothing wrong with it. Gets things done. Freedom? It gets in our way.
3 posted on 11/20/2014 2:56:34 PM PST by PapaNew (The grace of God & freedom always win the debate in the forum of ideas over unjust law & government)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

These sleazy self-serving Democrats have taken our country down a slippery slope into a literal abyss. But just as troubling are the spineless Republicans that have let them.


4 posted on 11/20/2014 2:56:55 PM PST by Maudeen
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No, it’s not “just like” the Emancipation Proclamation, which was a toothless EO. Obamatard’s amnesty will be anything but toothless. Impeach the gay bitch.


5 posted on 11/20/2014 2:57:46 PM PST by Baladas
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President Cruz should be held to the same standard.

Right, Libs?


6 posted on 11/20/2014 2:57:47 PM PST by Uncle Miltie ('The HERO of the (0bamacare) story is Mitt Romney' - "Stupid" Jonathan Gruber)
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To: Tailgunner Joe; GeronL

And what is the repercussion of illegally doing this?

What penalty would the lame duck president serve?

How much would this cost the US taxpayer to run through the courts and would we have to also fund the “defense”?


7 posted on 11/20/2014 2:58:32 PM PST by a fool in paradise (Shickl-Gruber's Big Lie gave us Hussein's Un-Affordable Care act (HUAC).)
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Democrat: Obama Should Do What He Wants and Let the Courts Decide If It’s Legal We believe in tyranny. Nothing wrong with it. Gets things done. Freedom? It gets in our way. The Constitution? Also gets in our way. Rule of law? What's that?
8 posted on 11/20/2014 2:58:38 PM PST by PapaNew (The grace of God & freedom always win the debate in the forum of ideas over unjust law & government)
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That would not be good for Obama ,he has the Worst Lawyers in the world working for him ,LOL


9 posted on 11/20/2014 2:59:48 PM PST by molson209 (Blank)
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To: Diogenesis

It’s too late he already said 20 some times, it’s illegal.


10 posted on 11/20/2014 3:01:03 PM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: Maudeen

The GOP is a lot more troubling IMO, Maudeen. They’re the ones who are supposed to OPPOSE the socialists. As many us have realized over the years, they are in bed with them and spooning under the covers.


11 posted on 11/20/2014 3:04:04 PM PST by workerbee (The President of the United States is PUBLIC ENEMY #1)
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“The new talking point, trotted out here by Rep. James Clyburn (D-SC) is that this executive order is just like Abraham Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation, and that Obama should do it and then just let the courts decide whether his act is legal or not. Rob a bank — see if you get caught!”

Rep. James Clyburn (President’s Lawn Jockey, SC)


12 posted on 11/20/2014 3:06:43 PM PST by vette6387
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Obama Was Against Illegal Immigration Before He Was For it

by Selwyn Duke

17 November 2014

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/immigration/item/19547-obama-was-against-illegal-immigration-before-he-was-for-it?tmpl=component&print=1

“The number of immigrants added to the labor force every year is of a magnitude not seen in this country for over a century. If this huge influx of mostly low-skill workers threatens to depress further the wages of blue- collar Americans and put strains on an already overburdened safety net.” (The opinion of the anti-illegal-alien crusader Barack HusseiObama from his 2006 autobiography The Audacity of Hope: Thoughts on Reclaiming the American Dream)

Obama had super majority in both cameras during the first two years of his presidency, but he didn’t give the amnesty during his first 100 days as he promised to those living illegally in the country… Furthermore, as senator, Obama opposed George W Bush when the republicans tried to give a legal status to those living illegally in U.S.

Blacks are going to be the main collateral victims of Obama's anti-Black amnesty. Black Americans are already suffering higher unemployment since Obama took power. Obama’s new class of protected immigrants will take over their jobs and Blacks will be forced to share their welfare checks and food stamps with them

http://www.nationalcenter.org/P21PR-Amnesty_Black_Employment_081114.html

13 posted on 11/20/2014 3:11:10 PM PST by Dqban22 (Hpo)
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Excuse me, but that's his whole presidency in a nutshell.

He's an Islamic illegal alien.  What did we expect.


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14 posted on 11/20/2014 3:11:33 PM PST by DoughtyOne (The mid-term elections were perfect for him. Now Obama can really lead from behind.)
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We saw what the court did with the Obamacare ripoff? Ready for a SCOTUS “ immigration ripoff? NO. This is a job for Congress.


15 posted on 11/20/2014 3:16:39 PM PST by Sasparilla
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Wonder why they never adopted such a nice and trusting attitude when Republican presidents were in office. Weren’t they screaming about how they were the check and balance to those presidents?


16 posted on 11/20/2014 3:18:46 PM PST by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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The next time the Republicans have a president in power, I wonder if that same Democrat will say:

“New Republican President Should Do What He Wants and Let the Courts Decide If It’s Legal”

...didn't think so...

The Dems should keep in mind that Our Side will be able to do whatever WE want to when we get a Conservative in the office by way of precedent. MWHAHHAHAHAHA!!!!

17 posted on 11/20/2014 3:20:55 PM PST by PATRIOT1876
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Clyburn knows the Emancipation Proclamation only applied to th Confederate states that the Union was at war with and not states in the Union. And, that it was contingent on a Union victory.

The lib talking points spin today is nauseating.


18 posted on 11/20/2014 3:20:57 PM PST by Sasparilla
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Remember back in 2007 when James Clyburn said Bush Should Do What He Wants and Let the Courts Decide If It’s Legal?

...neither does anyone else...

19 posted on 11/20/2014 3:23:15 PM PST by PATRIOT1876
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To: workerbee

You are probably right. . .it’s those winks and nods and secret concessions. In a nutshell. .it has nothing to do with the welfare of the country. . only their self serving interests. Saw it with our own Republican congressman’s stand on Israel. It was so disappointing to get a letter from him with his go along to get along attitude. He can smile all he wants in his family “political” portraits and tout country and family values but God will be the final judge of his votes and lack of judgement.


20 posted on 11/20/2014 3:33:07 PM PST by Maudeen
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