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Military Hates White House ‘Micromanagement’ of ISIS War
Daily Beast ^ | 31 Oct 14 | Josh Rogin and Eli Lake

Posted on 11/01/2014 7:36:15 AM PDT by LSUfan

The Pentagon brass placed in charge of implementing Obama’s war against ISIS are getting fed up with the short leash the White House put them on.

Top military leaders in the Pentagon and in the field are growing increasingly frustrated by the tight constraints the White House has placed on the plans to fight ISIS and train a new Syrian rebel army.

As the American-led battle against ISIS stretches into its fourth month, the generals and Pentagon officials leading the air campaign and preparing to train Syrian rebels are working under strict White House orders to keep the war contained within policy limits. The National Security Council has given precise instructions on which rebels can be engaged, who can be trained, and what exactly those fighters will do when they return to Syria. Most of the rebels to be trained by the U.S. will never be sent to fight against ISIS.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Egypt; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Israel; News/Current Events; Russia; Syria; War on Terror
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To: Temujinshordes
This kind of micromanagement gets US warriors killed. It is founded in principles of political risk aversion rather than battlefield success. The comparison to LBJ nails it. Furthermore, the stance this administration takes vis-à-vis allies or potential allies reinforces just how dangerous it is to befriend the US. If in doubt, go back through our history of foreign affairs for the last century. Still fresh in my mind is how we abandoned our allies in Vietnam, leaving the South Vietnamese to fend for themselves and at the same time condemning our Montagnard friends to genocide at the hands of the NVA.

The infamous photos of the last helicopter leaving the CIA complex in S. Vietnam, leaving our allies by themselves on the roof and trying to get to the roof.


21 posted on 11/01/2014 8:53:35 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Islam/ISIS = The Ebola of religious/political ideologies!)
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To: LSUfan

if they pulled the leash over a tree limb nd yanked it hard, the military problem would be solved.

leashes can be pulled in two directions


22 posted on 11/01/2014 8:55:15 AM PDT by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc.;+12, 73, ..... Obama is public enemy #1)
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To: LSUfan

When are they going to figure out that Obama supports ISIS or they would have been wiped out by now?


23 posted on 11/01/2014 9:02:49 AM PDT by dandiegirl
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To: LSUfan
Megalomaniacs run wars like this. They are control freaks who not only deeply distrust those under themselves but abuse them constantly and almost always get it all wrong.

Hitler was still in his bunker planning new offensives with his phantom armies while Berlin was falling.

24 posted on 11/01/2014 9:03:05 AM PDT by Gritty (Obama wants to wage war by measuring it out in teaspoons - Ralph Peters)
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To: Diogenesis

G.W.


25 posted on 11/01/2014 9:12:44 AM PDT by sasquatch
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To: NonValueAdded

I can’t stand the thought of LBJ but I NEVER questioned his patriotism as I do Obama’s.

I believe Obama is actively engaged in treason on a scale never seen in our history or envisioned by our forefathers.

He is quite literally engaged each hour of each day in protecting his ISIS brothers while pretending to be attacking them. All the while he is risking and costing American lives.

This is the epitome of TREASON!


26 posted on 11/01/2014 10:29:26 AM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid)
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To: Cen-Tejas

LBJ put politics over everything else, including his country, his family, his mistress, and his illegitimate son. He had zero integrity, no ethics, and largely charted the course for the disastrous path this country has had since he gained congressional power. The grass grows well on his grave.


27 posted on 11/01/2014 10:59:40 AM PDT by Temujinshordes
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To: Temujinshordes
It started with Harry Trueman.

He is the first to intentionally cause the Military to lose.

Woodrow Wilson also went for a stalemate for WWI to end in an armistice. That was just time for the enemy to rearm and start again 20 years later.

28 posted on 11/01/2014 11:15:16 AM PDT by Dan(9698)
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To: LSUfan
The IS is Hussein's Baby!

He's used them to overthrow Libya, and Egypt. Putin b slapped him down in Syria though.

Just how does the military wage war against the presidents own creation?

29 posted on 11/01/2014 11:50:55 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall ; / ?)
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To: Cen-Tejas

I think it is beyond treason. This guy hates the world.

Right now he plays it as being for the world and against America, but he has even more contempt for the idiots he uses in the White House drinking the Kool Aid bit by bit.


30 posted on 11/01/2014 12:40:25 PM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: LSUfan

People need to realize that Obama's 2009 Cairo Speech was an all out attack on America, the West, Israel, and Christianity.

Cairo Decoded

Obama GAVE PERMISSION to the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, and what became ISIS to launch violent revolution throughout the Middle East. He would secretly fund, support, and aid their conquest and slaughter.

Obama WANTS the Caliphate, because he WANTS to destroy Israel.

God has other plans.

When Israel strikes back at her enemies, and they are given under the hand of the Jews and they break like waves on the water, then the world will shake its fist in frustration and tremble in fear.

Obama is cursed by God.

31 posted on 11/01/2014 12:43:43 PM PDT by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: LSUfan

Obama doesn’t want to defeat them, he wants to manage them.

He is just using the US military to solve a PR problem.


32 posted on 11/01/2014 1:29:33 PM PDT by marron
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To: LSUfan

Apparently they don’t hate him enough.


33 posted on 11/01/2014 2:01:46 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: LSUfan
What? We're letting the dumbest man in the room determine military moves? Oh, that's going to turn out well. NOT!
34 posted on 11/01/2014 2:28:22 PM PDT by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: Eva
Obama does not micro manage anything. Who is doing it for him?

An educated guess would be ValJar. And it's obvious she's not a fast learner.

35 posted on 11/01/2014 3:46:00 PM PDT by upchuck (The language of government now is word-spew. ~ h/t Peggy Noonan)
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To: Temujinshordes

......I think it is even worse than that. He, McNamara and Rusk strung out the Vietnam War and micro-managed it to the detriment of the grunts and the profit of the military industrial complex. I hate the sonofabitch for that because one of those marines killed was my best boyhood buddy. Then, he and Lady Broad (being nice) profited millions off contracts to large US construction companies. LBJ and Lady BRoad are a case study in corruption.

Now, along comes Obama and he and LBJ are roughly equal except that Obama hates his country. LBJ didn’t. He was all politics and money in his bank account!


36 posted on 11/01/2014 6:57:10 PM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid)
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To: lavaroise

..........meantime, we are on the verge of war in Europe with this chimpanzee in control of our lives and destiny!


37 posted on 11/01/2014 6:59:31 PM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid)
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To: Herzo61
This is the same thing that screwed us in Vietnam - Johnson and McNamara were picking targets from the basement of the Whitehouse.


Not a fair nor accurate analogy.

First off, Johnson had a legitimate pretext for approving bombing raids.

First, we were in the middle of a nuclear Cold War with the USSR and LBJ wanted to avoid starting WWIII with any strategic bombing activities IN NORTH VIETNAM

Second, LBJ approved a heck of lot of pretty massive and effective bombing operations.

We had hundreds of USAF aircraft in action over Vietnam at any given time . For example, there was a 240 helicopters sweep over Tay Ninh province, beginning Operation Junction City in 1967.

Third, in South Vietnam, the US military had an almost total freedom in tactical air support for American troops and routinely hammered the Viet Cong and NVA regulars with massive jet air strikes , helicopter gunship attacks and massive artillery fire.

Vietnam was a full scale war with 500K American troops.

In contrast, Obama sends one flight of 2 FA-18s to drop 4 or 5 500 lb bombs on an empty tent. The tent is empty because some al Qaeda sympathizer in the Obama admin leaked the attack so no one would be hurt.

One day of LBJ Vietnam level micromanaged warfighting would destroy ISIS for good in less than a week

38 posted on 11/01/2014 11:07:16 PM PDT by rdcbn
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To: ThunderSleeps
I'd like to suggest that you read about the Dunning-Kruger Effect: Dunning-Kruger This article offers an explanation of why Democrats seem convinced of their own stupidity.
39 posted on 11/02/2014 12:16:04 AM PDT by jonascord (Laeti vescimur nos subacturis)
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To: rdcbn

“One day of LBJ Vietnam level micromanaged warfighting would destroy ISIS for good in less than a week”

I refer to the picture sequence earlier in this post of the last helicopter leaving the Embassy roof. With all of the reasons you say they are different, nothing can mitigate the ROE that were just as screwed up under LBJ and McNamara as it is today under Obama. LBJ was a totally self serving A-Hole just as everyone else with experience of that time can attest, except for LBJ and McNamara sycophants along with their willing leftist/progressives in the media that continues yet today.


40 posted on 11/02/2014 5:46:49 AM PST by mazda77
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