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Florida officials want to implement ‘voluntary’ gun-control
Guns.com ^ | 6/6/14 | S.H. Blannelberry

Posted on 09/29/2014 5:08:21 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper

Thanks to state preemption law, only the Florida Legislature can enact measures regulating the sale, possession, transfer of firearms in the Gunshine State.

But that’s not going to stop some city and county officials from attempting to implement ‘voluntary’ gun-control, the Sun-Sentinel reports.

Under a proposal backed by the Broward County Sheriff’s Office, city and county officials would ask gun shops and ammo suppliers who have sales contracts with law enforcement departments around the state to follow certain “sales and marketing safeguards,” when conducting business.

Those safeguards include asking the stores to run background checks on employees, train personnel to identify telltale signs of straw purchasing, run periodic inventory checks to account for lost or stolen firearms and researching the chain of possession on firearms traded in to see if they’ve been used in a crime, among others.

Commissioners of Broward debated whether the program would violate state law.

“This is not regulating,” insisted Commissioner Dale Holness. “This is coordinating a voluntary effort to ensure that gun sales are done in such a way that the people are protected.”

“Gun violence, gun crime, is a very serious issue,” Holness continued, “and it affects our community. Whatever we can do to work to ensure we’re reducing this is going to be in the best interest of the people in Broward County.’

But Commissioner Marty Kiar wasn’t so sure that the proposal didn’t overstep the law.

“I don’t know if Gov. Scott would agree with that,” said Commissioner Kiar, in response to Holness’ comment. “And I don’t have a lot of confidence in what he believes, as it is.”

Casey Woods, the founder of Arms with Ethics, an organization that promotes voluntary gun-control, said that it was designed “specifically to stay within the parameters of the state law,” adding, “I think it’s important for the average citizen to know that law has a chilling effect on their local leaders trying to take steps to make them safe.’

While the movement is similar to a 2006 Mayors Against Illegal Guns effort to pressure Wal-Mart to agree to self-imposed sales practices, Woods says this is different.

“It’s a first step toward helping to raise standards in the industry using existing relationships the police departments have, and broadening out in time,” explained Woods.

Arms with Ethics is also having success in New Jersey, where the mayor of Jersey City is asking gun dealers and ammo suppliers to provide extensive information on how they conduct business before bidding on government contracts.

It appears Arms with Ethics is gaining ground, which has at least one gun-rights group on guard.

“Arms with Ethics is nothing more than a ‘special interest’ group trying to get the county to implement its gun control agenda,” Marion Hammer, National Rifle Association past president and the Executive Director of Unified Sportsmen of Florida told Guns.com Thursday. “How would the county react to NRA urging them to require all heads of household to have guns in the home for protection because 911 response time is so slow?”

Florida, with its pro-gun laws and its 1.2 million concealed-carry permit holders, has also seen a steady decline in violent crime for the past twenty years. Among these gun laws is the 2011 preemption statute, which would preclude Broward from making their program mandatory.

This leaves some perplexed at the wording of Broward County’s new initiative.

“No clear thinking county official would believe they can violate the law by establishing gun control criteria and escape punishment by calling it ‘sales and marketing safeguards,'” stated Hammer.

Hammer explains that the structure of the program could negatively affect those who do not comply, by making them ineligible for contracts with local police, saying, “Previous reports revealed that gun and ammunition vendors who sell to law enforcement agencies would lose that business if they refuse to ”voluntarily’ adhere to gun control standards imposed by the county. That’s not voluntary compliance, that’s coercion, and loss of business is punitive.”


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: 2014; armswithethics; banglist; caseywoods; fl; guns; vote
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To: Moonman62; SoFloFreeper
Again, look at who Broward elects and the type of people that live there, and it is the most culturally and politically left wing county in the state. Between rude condo commies, Afro Caribs, and the gays in WM sprinkled on top, you live in a left wing sh-thole, with a suburban veneer inhabited by a "diverse" population,

Demographics don't lie, electoral returns don't lie, and the type of elected politicians you have in Broward obviously point to left wing idiocy in the People's Republic of Broward.

41 posted on 09/29/2014 6:46:17 PM PDT by Clemenza (Lurking)
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To: SoFloFreeper
“This is not regulating,” insisted Commissioner Dale Holness. “This is coordinating a voluntary effort to ensure that gun sales are done in such a way that the people are protected.”

That's a lie.

42 posted on 09/29/2014 6:46:32 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Clemenza

totally agree.

To prove what you say here is my county ,but it will give you returns on any other county

http://enrnow.votesjc.com/FL/St_Johns/42920/112743/en/md.html?cid=0103


43 posted on 09/29/2014 6:58:09 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Clemenza

those two blue areas are where the small college is, and the black area


44 posted on 09/29/2014 6:59:25 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Moonman62; All
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There is the breakdown. 2 to 1 DemonRat.

45 posted on 09/29/2014 7:04:10 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Broward has been liberal ever since I’ve been in FL (30+ years). You remember the 2000 election, hanging chads and all. The three counties involved were all lib/dem controlled — Broward, Miami-Dade, and Palm Beach counties.

You may be thinking about Brevard County. It is much more conservative and farther north.


46 posted on 09/29/2014 7:10:18 PM PDT by Waryone
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To: SoFloFreeper

” voluntary gun control”?

Kinda in the same way that taxes are voluntary?


47 posted on 09/29/2014 7:10:59 PM PDT by ForYourChildren (Christian Education [ RomanRoadsMedia.com - a Classical Christian Approach to Homeschool ])
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To: Waryone

No, I lived in Hollywood, which is smack dab in Broward County.


48 posted on 09/29/2014 7:12:28 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me.)
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To: SoFloFreeper
Those safeguards include asking the stores to run background checks on employees, train personnel to identify telltale signs of straw purchasing, run periodic inventory checks to account for lost or stolen firearms and researching the chain of possession on firearms traded in to see if they’ve been used in a crime, among others.

As far as it goes, these procedures sound like common sense things that any gun shop should be doing.

49 posted on 09/29/2014 7:17:24 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins most of the battles. Reality wins ALL the wars.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Broward is solid commie country now and has been for some time.


50 posted on 09/29/2014 7:19:35 PM PDT by Waryone
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To: SoFloFreeper

“This is not regulating,” insisted Commissioner Dale “A**” Holness.”

He’s right. It’s coercion.


51 posted on 09/29/2014 7:43:15 PM PDT by headstamp 2
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To: SoFloFreeper

You know how the progressive / leftist government for thee not for me’s incrementalists work. Today voluntary, tomorrow involuntary...


52 posted on 09/29/2014 8:19:33 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: SoFloFreeper

We already have “voluntary gun control”.

Nobody is forced to own one.


53 posted on 09/29/2014 8:32:00 PM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: GraceG

Does this mean that the new requirement will be that you should hit what you are aiming at? Some liberals just never give up...


54 posted on 09/29/2014 9:20:57 PM PDT by saintgermaine
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; blackie; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
Good catch. Interesting. I had not heard of this either. Leave it to the statists running Broward county to try and cook up something like this. They just can't help their little totalitarian selves.

Here is Marion Hammer's reply to this. I think she has it pegged.

Florida and RKBA list double-ping!

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

Florida Freeper


55 posted on 09/30/2014 5:04:42 AM PDT by Joe Brower (The "American People" are no longer capable of self-governance.)
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To: Joe Brower

How about a “voluntary” program paying real estate taxes in Broward?


56 posted on 09/30/2014 5:10:31 AM PDT by ken5050 ("One useless man is a shame, two are a law firm, three or more are a Congress".. John Adams)
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To: SoFloFreeper

They are just getting the sheep ready to be handed over to the muslims for the slaughter, My FRiend. If the events in OK last week do not demonstrate the need for the people to own guns, nothing will.


57 posted on 09/30/2014 6:03:15 AM PDT by sport
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To: SoFloFreeper
researching the chain of possession on firearms traded in to see if they’ve been used in a crime, among others.

Something not a single public gun buy-back program ever does. They just want the product off the street, even if the program itself encourages the act by allowing the perpetrator to get the state in on disposing of evidence!

58 posted on 09/30/2014 7:32:01 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Stand up and be counted... OR LINE UP AND BE NUMBERED...)
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To: SoFloFreeper
I just sent this article to my very pro-gun state representative. Should be interesting. I made a comment about how Broward is playing cutsie with state law. In my experience, state legislators dislike having local yokels mess around like this... Just sayin'
59 posted on 09/30/2014 7:41:57 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Stand up and be counted... OR LINE UP AND BE NUMBERED...)
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To: Joe Brower

What about home invasions???? This is a dumb idea.


60 posted on 09/30/2014 12:48:17 PM PDT by floriduh voter (Is Washington DC an islamic state so ISIS can't be called one?)
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