Posted on 08/15/2014 11:56:54 AM PDT by Cubs Fan
When can an officer shoot?
While there is no national statute outlining police use of deadly force, there are national standards, established by a pair of 1980s US supreme court decisions.
David Klinger, an associate professor in the department of criminology and criminal justice at the University of MissouriSt Louis and a former officer with the Los Angeles police department, said there are two permissible circumstances in which an officer can use lethal force.
Constitutionally, a police officer can shoot a suspect who is threatening the life of the officer, a fellow officer or a member of the public, said Klinger, a use-of-force expert. This is known as the defence of life standard. An officer can also shoot a fleeing suspect if the officer believes the suspect has committed a violent felony and his or her escape would pose a significant and serious threat, he said. The US constitution does not allow a police officer to shoot an unarmed, non-violent suspect in flight who does not pose a serious risk to public safety.
This was determined in a 1985 supreme court case, Garner v Tennessee. The justices ruled that deadly force may not be used unless necessary to prevent the escape and the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious bodily harm to the officer or others.
The decision limited the long-standing fleeing felon rule that permitted officers to use deadly force against a suspect who was trying to escape, even if the person in flight was not a threat to the public.
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It’s a called a BOLO.
It’s normal to question suspects or witnesses after a robber has fled.
The reports said one officer responded to the robbery, then after viewing the video and making his report he proceeded to the man’s death and viewed him and recognized him as the thief.
But the other officer had already shot and killed him.
Here's a plausible scenario:
The cop spots a couple of punks walking in the middle of the street and tell them to get on the sidewalk. They then smart-off BIG TIME.
Cop backs up, stops and starts to get out of his car...and the dead guy shoves the door back at him, injures the cop.
Cop fires one and hits, but perp/deadguy is retreating quick. Cop screams "Stop or I'll shoot" , dead guy turns around and put his hands up.
Cop is enraged, say's eff it and shoots anyway.
There's probably several dozen other plausible scenarios. There will need to be SOME physical evidence to back one or more of them.
Then the reason for the shooting must have been self-defense.
Do cops carry more than one gun?
Look up the Tueller drill.
You know, in my years here at FR I’ve never used language even approaching this to another FReeper, so you get the honor of being first -F Off. I’ve no use for an apologist for a thug who laid hands upon a much smaller man because he wanted to intimidate him while he robbed him.
“Absent that, they will have to show the officer was under imminent threat.”
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But these days you just have to FEEL threatened whether there is an actual threat or not.
That’s what the libs want-—maybe that’s what they’ll get.
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“The police chief said today that Officer Wilsons initial contact with Mike Brown was unrelated to the robbery.”
I saw that. Earlier reports stated that the policeman left another event in response to the robbery call out.
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No, that doesn’t work because the 2 were inside the cop car and the gun went off inside the cop car. I think Brown’s accomplice acknowledged that Brown was inside the cop car.
Here is protocol.
Suspects fled but in area.
Cops come up and now look for witnesses and suspects.
They question people in the area, and so it is normal for what happened.
Yes I know it doesn’t go along with left wing talking points but most facts don’t anyway
Hmm. Those reports seem to conflict...
[Rush taught us today that Sweets are slit, tobacco scraped out and replaced with pot]
The end product is called a “blunt” by the Jamaicans who brought this practice to the U.S. Combining tobacco with marijuana when smoked is supposed to aid the lungs in absorbing the vapor.
Unless the subject poses a subsequent threat to the community. Having committed strong-armed robbery, then tried to kill a cop, I’d say Brown did. Wilson should be no-billed. Let them riot.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3193295/posts
Unless there a blood trail from the car to the point of collapse AND all the brass is within about 6ft of the car.
The newly discovered fact that Wilson confronted Brown not merely for jaywalking, but for robbery (a violent crime) means that Wilson not only had a perfectly good reason to shoot Brown in the first place-self defense of his own life when Brown attacked him and tried to grab his gun-but that after that, Wilson was also justified in shooting Brown if he indeed fled. Use of deadly force policy warrants it if the person is deemed at the time to be a further threat to the community, which after the act of robbery and of trying to kill a cop, Brown certainly would have been.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3193295/posts
Was the cop much smaller?
Did the cop feel threatened?
Obviously he did for what he did and being 35 ft away , well that;s nothing as he could have easily slumbered that far
So that’s what you get out of what I wrote huh? shaking head. I have no use for your lack of thinking abilities.
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