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The real reason gun control is failing
Guardian ^ | July 8, 2014 | Ana Marie Cox

Posted on 07/08/2014 12:29:58 PM PDT by Second Amendment First

Americans are still OK with guns, and until we can change that, Michael Bloomberg's millions won't mean a thing

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The Michael Bloomberg-funded Everytown for Gun Safety announced on Monday a new gambit for creating pressure on candidates to move, finally, in the direction of stricter gun laws: the group will offer them a survey. Everytown – one of several sane competitors playing the long game against the National Rifle Association’s stranglehold on violence in America – will make politicians put their positions on firearm restrictions, however convoluted, on the record. As the head of the organization, which has $50m in Bloomberg backing to the NRA’s untold millions, pronounced: “Now we’re going toe-to-toe with the gun lobby.”

This has the feel of a good idea, because it is one – one already employed, simply to opposite effect, by the NRA itself. Everytown isn't offering a counterweight to the NRA's rating system, it is duplicating it … just without the grades. What information could an anti-gun voter would find in the Everytown questionnaire that the NRA hasn't ferreted out itself? It will tell you who to vote for as surely as a National Right-to-Life rating will direct a voter concerned about preserving the right to choose.

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I think they are desperate for ideas of what to do next. If they had any sense, they would just take the NRA survey and invert it. But then that wouldn't require all the leaches sucking on Bloomies money.
1 posted on 07/08/2014 12:29:58 PM PDT by Second Amendment First
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“Americans are still OK with guns, and until we can change that, Michael Bloomberg’s millions won’t mean a thing “.

And, why would that NEED to be changed. Despite all the BS currently going on, America is still the only country of consequence that has this kind of freedom. We don’t need some assclown from the UK (is she?) trying to aid in creating the same kind of utopia currently seen in the UK. i.e. bugger off lady.


2 posted on 07/08/2014 12:34:56 PM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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Guns are not objects, and I doubt we can change the way our country deals with them by thinking of guns as merely potentially dangerous things that need to be regulated, no different than unstable chemicals or cold medicines. Guns are death waiting to happen, and Everytown's survey is a quaint eulogy for those who have already passed.
3 posted on 07/08/2014 12:37:36 PM PDT by Second Amendment First
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In the "bad guy with a gun" versus a "good guy with a gun" scenario, the problem isn't who's bad and who's good, it's that there is a gun involved, period.

No, the problem is that there is a liberal trying to describe something without popping her denial bubble.

This is clinical insanity, folks. Nothing less.

4 posted on 07/08/2014 12:45:23 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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Do you agree that we can do more to both keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people and protect the rights of responsible, law-abiding people?

Do you support requiring all gun buyers to pass a criminal background check?

Do you support a law that would prohibit convicted stalkers, people convicted of abusing a dating partner, and people subject to a domestic violence restraining order against a dating partner from having guns?

Do you support a law that would require a criminal background check for every gun sold between strangers who meet through an online gun classified website?

Do you support increased funding for the programs that help states submit records to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) to block severely mentally ill people from buying guns?

Do you support a law that would close the “terror gap” and block people listed on the federal government’s terror watch lists from buying guns?

Do you support a federal gun trafficking law that would increase penalties on gun traffickers and make it easier to prosecute and convict them?

Do you support banning the sale of high capacity ammunition magazines, or magazines that hold more than 10 bullets at a time?

Do you support a law that would allow a prosecutor to bring charges if a gun owner stores a firearm negligently, a minor accesses the gun, and harm results?

Do you oppose national concealed carry reciprocity, which would overturn state laws that determine who may carry a concealed loaded gun in public, and force every state to recognize concealed carry permits from every other state?


5 posted on 07/08/2014 12:45:53 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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...without popping her denial bubble.

I'm keepin' that one ;)

6 posted on 07/08/2014 12:50:01 PM PDT by papertyger (if disdain of homosexual behavior is "bigotry," is it any wonder hostility to Islam is "racism?")
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That’s the key misunderstanding between gun-control advocates and the wide swath of voters they need on their side: Americans are OK with guns. They don't like violence. They don't like guns in the hands of mad men and criminals, or shoved in their faces in restaurants and shopping centers, but they're OK with guns.

Blah, blah, BS, blah, blah. Hits nail on head. Blah, BS, BS, blah.

The whole article is in this one paragraph.

7 posted on 07/08/2014 12:51:05 PM PDT by fireforeffect (A kind word and a 2x4, gets you more than just a kind word.)
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Fine don’t call them “illegal” call them “criminal foreign invaders”


8 posted on 07/08/2014 12:51:06 PM PDT by thorvaldr
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Guns are not objects ... uns are death waiting to happen, ...

Gracious! This creature "reasons" like some sort of third-world pantheistic heathen. It's an inanimate object, not some sort of evil totem or talisman.

9 posted on 07/08/2014 12:52:16 PM PDT by NorthMountain
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Bad products kill many great marketing campaigns.

Gun control is a bad product and a bad idea.

No matter how much they spend to tell us otherwise.


10 posted on 07/08/2014 12:52:54 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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Having accepted her serfdom, the author impugns liberty.

Human beings are violent, aggressive creatures, capable of unspeakable horrors. Her solution to this violence is the absurd raving of a confused mind.

If preventing free men from gun ownership is the solution to man’s violence, what happened to the Tutsis?


11 posted on 07/08/2014 12:53:14 PM PDT by LucianOfSamasota (Tanstaafl - its not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: smokingfrog

NO x 10.


12 posted on 07/08/2014 12:53:27 PM PDT by NorthMountain
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To: Second Amendment First

But why would any same legislator even bother to fill out a questionnaire compiles by a fascist enemy of civil rights? I’d piss on it, then toss it in the dumpster.


13 posted on 07/08/2014 12:53:38 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Talisker
In the "bad guy with a gun" versus a "good guy with a gun" scenario, the problem isn't who's bad and who's good, it's that there is a gun involved, period.

IOW, the gun is the nexus of evil in a "situation." The humans are just along for the ride.

14 posted on 07/08/2014 12:57:55 PM PDT by Disambiguator (#cornedbeef)
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In the "obese guy with a spoon" versus a "thin guy with a spoon" scenario, the problem isn't who's too fat and who's slim, it's that there is a spoon involved, period.
15 posted on 07/08/2014 12:58:27 PM PDT by expat2
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The real reason gun control is failing

Americans know very shortly they're going to need them for their original purpose.

16 posted on 07/08/2014 12:59:07 PM PDT by mykroar (This is an insult to the nation's intelligence and these days, that isn't easy.)
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Total British casualties from battle and disease in the Revolutionary War: around 24,000

Seems like the limeys haven’t learned their lesson from the last time they tried to take our guns.


17 posted on 07/08/2014 1:02:37 PM PDT by thorvaldr
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To: smokingfrog

Pretty much a bunch of “No”s there, but I do like how many are couched in a manner of ‘When did you stop beating your wife?’


18 posted on 07/08/2014 1:03:32 PM PDT by AzSteven ("War is less costly than servitude, the choice is always between Verdun and Dachau." Jean Dutourd)
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It’s failing because you gotta use both hands...


19 posted on 07/08/2014 1:07:50 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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It’s not about guns, it’s about control.


20 posted on 07/08/2014 1:14:19 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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