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The Pope's attack on capitalism shows he knows nothing about how the world really works
telegraph.co.uk ^ | 6/22/2014 | Allister Heath

Posted on 06/22/2014 7:45:13 AM PDT by RoosterRedux

The Pope’s latest critique this week was equally unfounded, blaming speculators for high food prices. “The few derive immense wealth from financial speculation while the many are deeply burdened by the consequences,” he said, claiming that “speculation on food prices is a scandal which seriously compromises access to food on the part of the poorest members of our human family”.

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Those who buy and sell and seek to predict the future perform a crucial and legitimate social function; without them, the economy would lurch from over-supply to under-supply. Markets would be horrendously opaque and illiquid, with some consumers paying far more than others for identical products. When the price of food goes up, it means experts collectively feel demand will rise or supply will fall; thanks to such speculation, market prices are the best possible early warning signal. They allow farmers to plant more of the right kinds of crops, and futures markets allow them to insure themselves against price changes. Speculators who keep getting it wrong go bust.

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To: RoosterRedux

Not this crap again. “Oil speculators don’t affect oil prices” has been debunked quite thoroughly here and elsewhere, so it can’t be ruled out for food prices.


21 posted on 06/22/2014 8:19:54 AM PDT by jiggyboy
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To: Telepathic Intruder

“someone must set the example on the more important things.”

What are you more important things?

Mamon or Spiritual

The Church does not have more importation things on its mind. It has not seen fit to excommunicate the Pelosi.


22 posted on 06/22/2014 8:20:02 AM PDT by DanZ
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To: pepsionice
That statement is absolutely false. The Catholic clergy is filled with men who are renowned in areas of expertise outside their "religious" responsibilities.

I'll offer you two examples that immediately come to mind: the late Fr. Stanley Jaki, a theologian and physicist who spent much of his career debunking so many of the myths surrounding the "settled science" of evolution; and Fr. Tadeusz Pacholczyk, one of the top advocates for human life in the Catholic Church (he did his graduate work at Harvard and Yale, and has a PhD. in neuroscience.

23 posted on 06/22/2014 8:20:59 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: goodwithagun
When I disagree with Obama's eagerness to spread the wealth via Marsixm, I am called a "racist."

And now when I disagree with the Pope's desire to spread the wealth via Marxism, I am called a "Catholic basher."

WTH?

24 posted on 06/22/2014 8:21:44 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama: Race is his cover...jihad is his game.)
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To: RoosterRedux

The new pope:
capitalism sucks
islamics aren’t that bad
everyone goes to heaven

Did I miss anything?


25 posted on 06/22/2014 8:22:05 AM PDT by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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To: goodwithagun

So anti capitalism is religion...who would of thunk it


26 posted on 06/22/2014 8:24:25 AM PDT by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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To: goodwithagun

The Pope is a public figure. Millions listen to him. When he makes political speeches it is perfectly reasonable to discuss it on a political chat site.


27 posted on 06/22/2014 8:28:47 AM PDT by DManA
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To: RoosterRedux
Nuns are openly advocating abortion. Some priests are advocating homosexuality, and gay marriage. The Vatican is in disarray. And the Pope is speaking on economics?
I still trying to connect with this Pope.
28 posted on 06/22/2014 8:29:00 AM PDT by oldbrowser (We have a rogue government in Washington)
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To: oldbrowser

Sources for your statements, please.


29 posted on 06/22/2014 8:36:02 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: RoosterRedux

Presbyterians just jumped the shark also, makes one wonder what is going on, with Catholics and Protestants.


30 posted on 06/22/2014 8:36:56 AM PDT by Mark was here (If I had a Rodeo Clown he would look like Barak Obama.)
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To: jiggyboy

There is nothing moral/immoral about prices. They are simply information reflecting the balance between supply and demand. The surest way to guarantee want and deprivation is to mess with prices. That is immoral.


31 posted on 06/22/2014 8:38:58 AM PDT by DManA
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To: RoosterRedux

I am a regular practicing Roman Catholic and I am amazed at how many fellow Catholics are completely ignorant on basic business as well as economic laws.

These folks are as unfamiliar with Henry Hazlitt, Milton Friedman or FA Hayek as they are with the Democrat Party (in which they cast their vote) that supports Abortion as well as homosexuality marriage.

To non-Catholics, trust me, their is a cold war simmering in the Catholic Church between the Conservatives and lefties.


32 posted on 06/22/2014 8:42:21 AM PDT by Le Chien Rouge
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To: DManA

Unfortunately the purpose of these posts is to create another thread of Protestant vs. Catholicism. Read my original post to see that is what I meant.

If the regular Catholic bashers and Protestant bashers want to hash it out, they can do so on their own site. However, they are incapable of rational discussion regarding the actual article topic.


33 posted on 06/22/2014 8:46:05 AM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: svcw

That’s not what I posted.


34 posted on 06/22/2014 8:47:03 AM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Le Chien Rouge
Same in the Protestant Churches.

I have an old friend who is a minister and a big Obama supporter.

When I ask him why he wants to raise taxes, he says, "it's charitable."

I respond by asking "what is charitable about taking money that doesn't belong to you and giving it away?"

He just looks at me with that weird look on his face. "Don't you care about the poor, he says?"

35 posted on 06/22/2014 8:47:43 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama: Race is his cover...jihad is his game.)
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To: goodwithagun

Do you see any Catholic bashing on this thread?


36 posted on 06/22/2014 8:48:29 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama: Race is his cover...jihad is his game.)
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To: DanZ

I agree Pelosi should be excommunicated for promulgating abortion. That shows the Vatican’s weakness in the face of politics. Jesus didn’t preach economic theory, however, nor advocated any kind of socialism, like liberals often claim. Spreading The Word and doing works of charity should be foremost on the minds of church leaders.


37 posted on 06/22/2014 8:51:12 AM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: oldbrowser

This article is about what this pope stated in his apostolic letter last year. In which he criticizes ‘trickle down economics’, which he stood by, after given a chance to blame translators

I have read the document and I think the author here is correct. And I have to trust that this pep is right for our times, and I disagree with his criticism which is an opinion piece and not subject to infallibility if I am correct

None of this is about renegade nuns who are not in keeping with the church teaching on abortion

But you will be in company here with those who enjoy a good anticatholic pile on


38 posted on 06/22/2014 8:53:49 AM PDT by stanne
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To: goodwithagun

I read your post. You are wrong.


39 posted on 06/22/2014 8:54:37 AM PDT by DManA
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To: goodwithagun

Sure it is.
This tread is about the popes view on capitalism and you go on about religion
If you are bothered ask the admins to move the thread to the religion forum, oh wait it’s not about religion - never mind


40 posted on 06/22/2014 8:54:53 AM PDT by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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