Posted on 06/20/2014 9:27:12 PM PDT by boycott
Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) wants to turn the tables on those who are questioning President Barack Obama’s handling of the draw down of troops in Iraq.
In an interview with NBC’s “Meet the Press” that will air Sunday, when host David Gregory asked Paul if he found former Vice President Dick Cheney to be a credible critic of the president, Paul responded “I think the same questions could be asked of those who supported the Iraq War. You know, were they right in their predictions? Were there weapons of mass destruction there? Was the war won in 2005, when many of those people said it was won?”
Paul’s response comes after Cheney and his daughter Liz published an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal criticizing the president for the ongoing conflict in Iraq where militants have begun to take over some of the country’s largest cities.
“Rarely has a U.S. president been so wrong about so much at the expense of so many,” the article said. “Too many times to count, Mr. Obama has told us he is ‘ending’ the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan — as though wishing [makes] it so.”
Instead of placing blame on the president, Paul suggested that blame for the unrest in the Middle East can be placed elsewhere.
“I don’t blame President Obama,” Paul said. “Has he really got the solution? Maybe there is no solution. But I do blame those who are for the Iraq War for emboldening Iran. These are the same people now who are petrified of what Iran may become, and I understand some of their worry”
I remember reading something about that. There was an article here a long time ago that went into some depth on the why behind it but yea, it was a cultural thing. Wish I’d kept it.
Hell just look at all the pre PC literature. the stereotype of Akbar the shifty merchant came from somewhere.
So do you figure we will just have to live with more terrorist acts like 911?
... I think Rand Paul is going to have to face the proven fact that Obama's performance conducting the Iraq war was about as effective as he was with having sex .... he pulled out way too soon.
... that's what she said.
Americans used to know things and study things, and share knowledge in magazines and newspapers and books.
Personally? yup. Until enough Americans die and enough cities get blasted yes I do. To my core. Because IMO, most Americans really believe the Liberals that Islam is an ROP and until they lose friends and family, have it slammed ...repeatedly... in their personal lives, they will just make excuse after excuse to encourage their demise.
Indeed. Even being a GenXer/80s kid, we did. Today? Dude! thats so retro!
We had to penetrate into that world, and bring the modern world into it, we need to maintain that opening.
We can’t leave those people alone to bubble in their own oil wealth, 21st century technology, nuclear weapons and totally isolated, dictator controlled 7th century peasants, isolation.
You know it’s funny. I just Flashed on this/off topic
The share knowledge thing I totally agree. As a hobbyist musician I read a number of music/production boards. synths/mixing/the tech stuff...all the back end things. and today, many pride themselves on the sharing of knowledge. you often see threads where people mention the bad old days when all the tips tricks and techniques were all black magic voodoo kept by the high priests of the studio. Closely and jealously guarded. Today the average teenager with a laptop and cracked software has access to all the secrets of the Beatles, Zepplin, Sinatra, Cash, elvis bla bla bla.
But you should see the levels of self censorship on those boards. Most musicos are hard left anyway but it’s like reading DU without the politics. There are so many things one just does not say. And should some newb stray, they are hit with a positively Soviet level of “you shall not sin against the orthodoxy!”
The net result is a whole lot of pins and needles with people afraid to share any info or knowledge outside what isd clearly and rigidly enforced. And I don’t mean forum rule stuff. I mean people to people stuff.
Yep, you are right.
There is no “we” anymore, so many people means that now ALL the globe is involved, according to the PC crowd.
Post 75 is not part of a conversation anymore, not the knowledge and experience of an individual and his respectable opinion, by today’s standards, it is ugly, and not to be mentioned, and better yet, universally declared untrue.
Which is, of course, the very reason that we are in bizzarro world. Pretty hard to exist/live in an ongoing state of category error. But it sure does lead to a lot of confused people when reality stubbornly refuses to comply with one’s belief structure...and have no clue why that is the case. Because the answers are blasphemous.
What?
The seed didn’t fall far from the tree.
People have so poorly defined their problems, or as you pointed out, are scared to even discuss their actual problems, that they have little or no hope of actually addressing, much less solving their problems. To speak the words are like you were getting at, a blasphemy.
Kind of like Orwell and reducing the language to the point people cannot even form the concept of rebelling.
I hope post 87 is a valid opinion.
By the way, try to involve entropy12.
Oh absolutely valid. That said though I gotta call it done for the night, But I’ll check back in in the morning with a reply on it. Very interesting conversation ;)
Rand Paul is nothing more than a weasel butt boy. Say what you want but Iraq was a lot safer place when W left office, but Bam dropped the ball.
Every time I see something like this.. “Rand sounds more & more like his daddy....”.
This is just so juvenile. This brings nothing to the table. He is not his dad. Like his dad, he speaks his mind, popular or not. He is anti-war, no one should be surprised at that.
I was supportive of the war at the time. Looking back, it was way too costly in blood and treasure. It cost too many arms and legs and lives. It didn’t have to. To this day we have not found an answer for IEDs.
The war in Iraq was a BIG MISTAKE because of how incompetently the land war was conducted.
Total number of U.S. troops killed in the Iraq War 4,487 U.S. troops
Total number of U.S. soldiers wounded in the Iraq War 32,223
Percent of U.S. soldiers wounded with serious brain or spinal injuries 20 %
Total percentage of U.S. soldiers who served in Iraq War who developed serious mental health problems within 4 months of returning home 30 %
Total amount of approved taxpayer spending on the Iraq War through 2011 $1 Trillion
Have I soured on the war in Iraq? Yes I have. It was not worth it. Let’s learn from this folly and not repeat it.
Cheney was right...in 1993, when he said taking out Hussein was a bad idea and would cause “pieces of Iraq to fly off”,
The 1994 version of Dick Cheney sure sounded a hell of a lot smarter than the 2003 and 2014 versions of Dick Cheney, didn't he?
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