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Opinion: Bush, Cheney created the Iraq mess; why not make them try to fix it?
Los Angeles Times ^ | June 12, 2014 | by PAUL WHITEFIELD

Posted on 06/12/2014 5:00:44 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

Well, gee, $1 trillion or so just doesn’t buy what it used to. Take Iraq, for example.

Or, should I say: Take Iraq, please, someone — and fix it. Fend off the nasty Islamic fighters of ISIS and keep that miserable sinkhole for American lives and money from coming back to bite us — again.

Do you understand now, George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, John Bolton and all you neocon nutjobs, why the invasion of Iraq in 2003 wasn’t a very good idea?

President Obama sure does. Because now he’s neck deep in another crisis in this place, a country he thought he had gotten us out of, as he promised to do.

Now, I do have one somewhat off-the-wall option: Send Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney over there and let them try to negotiate a solution. And tell them they can’t come home until they’re successful. After all, they’re the ones who created this mess in the first place.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bushsfault; iraq; journalism; mediabias; oef; wot
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Bush and Cheney in charge? I yearn from those days.

It was the Kenyan arseclown that geniously left zero presence in Iraq after the war was wound down. Common sense dictates you leave some sort of forward base, if not just for deterrence purposes.

But then again, we’re talking about Obama.


121 posted on 06/12/2014 8:46:29 PM PDT by NYRepublican72
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To: SpeakerToAnimals
Re: “What did Clinton do that destroyed so much of the Constitution?”

Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

122 posted on 06/12/2014 8:52:26 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: Nachum
If I were boss in chief, that's what I'd put on the table. If they Iraqi's were not willing to hand over their oil and country to save their lazy azzes, then they'd get no more American support.

The people leading this country for the past several decades have looted the American treasure, totally sold out middle class America and sent their jobs overseas and borrowed trillions from Communist China etc....The fat cats made fortunes, while our Veterans and Ma and Pa in middle America eat sh*t. They are killing us.

Enough!

I'll support fortress battleship America before we continue with these truly insane country killing policies which are laying waste to the U.S. middle class back bone.

123 posted on 06/12/2014 8:52:33 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: 4rcane

I think I remember something that Thomas Jefferson said about entangleing alliances...


124 posted on 06/12/2014 9:05:22 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
No fan of the Bush family, but Mr. Whitehead seems to be forgetting that Obama is arming the very people that are now running amok in Iraq and elsewhere. So no, it isn't Bush's fault.
125 posted on 06/12/2014 9:05:33 PM PDT by Major Matt Mason ("Journalism is dead. All news is suspect." - Noamie)
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To: dragnet2
I'll support fortress battleship America before we continue with these truly insane country killing policies which are laying waste to the U.S. middle class back bone.

Yes. Our greed and hubris have cost us everything. We have devolved to the state of enui (IMHO) that were trapped in prior to WWII. This is not the first time we tried to spend our way to prosperity. This time, the war is/will be on our shores as well.

Stay safe.

126 posted on 06/12/2014 9:06:28 PM PDT by Nachum (Obamacare: It's. The. Flaw.)
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To: Innovative
Whether you like Mitt or not, any sensible person can see that there is no way we would be in any of the many messes we are in today, if Mitt were president.

You have NO idea what you are talking about.

You've NO way to know any of this!

Wishful thinking, after the fact, still doesn't work.

127 posted on 06/12/2014 9:07:44 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: dragnet2

128 posted on 06/12/2014 9:11:10 PM PDT by Nachum (Obamacare: It's. The. Flaw.)
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To: The Antiyuppie

One of my favorites...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFvujknrBuE


129 posted on 06/12/2014 9:13:04 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Bush had it fixed by the time he left office - it was on autopilot for a relatively smooth exit - needed only the negotiation of a force to remain behind to support the Iraqi army in defending against threats like the one destroying the country now - instead Obama abandoned the field without arranging for such support, Al Maliki purged the military of those leaders who had been trained by and worked with the US to replace them with his cronies and political buds, and QED.....


130 posted on 06/12/2014 9:22:52 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: Oldeconomybuyer; sickoflibs; NFHale; GOPsterinMA; BillyBoy; Clintonfatigued; fieldmarshaldj
Now, I do have one somewhat off-the-wall option: Send Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney over there and let them try to negotiate a solution.

LAtimes latimes latimes, your boyfriend Obama has been President for how long now? When does he get passed the buck? Why not go back and blame the brits for carving Iraq into the map in the first place?

You know who I blame though? Iraqis, and Syrians, and Kurds, and Persians. That whole region is just plain effed up.

131 posted on 06/12/2014 9:49:47 PM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: kingattax
He seems to have found it.


132 posted on 06/12/2014 10:01:10 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Cover for Barry...squawk...cover of Barry...squawk....Cover for Barry...squawk...


133 posted on 06/12/2014 10:08:17 PM PDT by mojito (Zero, our Nero.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Does Paul Whitefield know that Congress voted for the Iraq War?


134 posted on 06/12/2014 10:17:29 PM PDT by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Anyone could have seen this coming in Iraq's future. The fact that Congress refused to vote a formal declaration of war and act on Iraq as war instead of a nation building venture gives us what we see today. It's as much the Dems as the GOP's fault

I'm not antiwar. My concepts of war for the PC crowd would be called barbaric. But war is such and we have forgotten that fact. It can't be kinder & gentler war.

First rule in war. You do not sent troops to spill their blood for less than a complete and defined stated military goal of elimination of enemy as the reason. How the enemy feels is not important. We didn't do that. People hee hawed about Baghdad Bob and how funny he was. But Baghdad Bob's very presence and ability to communicate to the masses after day 3 only showed that the U.S. sent troops in to rebuild Iraq rather than destroy it as they should have been told to do. By day three I could tell it was a nation building mission. So could a few others in FR.

What was the end result? Murtha... Anyone remember him? He ran his own personal persecution program against troops in combat we left hanging out to dry in what was supposed to be a war situation. Where was Rummy? Sucking his thumbs. Where was Bush? Off to Mexico trying to build his North American Corporate trade utopia.

Wise up GOP & DEMs and learn some hard lessons on war from mistakes our nation has kept repeating since Korea costing us countless lives for wars our leaders lack the will to win. You go to war to win or you stay home. Either/Or no exxception. You go to war for obtaining the unconditional elimination of the threating nation or their unconditional surrender.

You do not give the enemy a new military for the next Dirt Bag fanatical group of "we kill you now" tribal religious radicals to use against us yet again. You do not rebuild their infrastructure to use again. War is a punishment and our leaders including bush and Obama turned it into a rewards system. Thankfully none of the leaders in DC today were in office during WW2 or we would have lost and I aim that comment equally at both parties leadership.

135 posted on 06/12/2014 11:02:39 PM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: reasonisfaith
Does Paul Whitefield know that Congress voted for the Iraq War?

No actually they didn't. They voted for a authorization of use of force to uphold United Nations resolutions. It was not a declaration of war, congress was not bound to it as they would have been for a formal declaration of war, and like previous such acts we got the same outcome.

I don't give a flying rip about the U.S. upholding U.N. resolutions. If we send troops to combat they deserve no less than a backing by formal declaration of war so the turds in congress can not come back and place blame like they are now. That is why that resolution for UOF instead of declaration of war is a very bad idea. Troops were sent to Iraq without a clear objective. It went downhill after Saddam's capture and Bush's insane idea of an Iraqi trial for him. Iraq should have been leveled period and the reporters not embedded either.

I have an idea how to resolve both Iran and Iraq. Get the two nations back at war with each other.

136 posted on 06/12/2014 11:10:45 PM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: Elsie
I think I remember something that Thomas Jefferson said about entangleing alliances...

That was actually George Washington who said that, in his farewell address, but otherwise you are correct...

the infowarrior

137 posted on 06/12/2014 11:29:07 PM PDT by infowarrior
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To: cva66snipe

“Congress refused to vote a formal declaration of war”

If Bush had asked for war, and 60 divisions to fight it when he addressed Congress on September 16, 2001 he would have gotten it.


138 posted on 06/13/2014 1:34:50 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Jim Noble
If Bush had asked for war, and 60 divisions to fight it when he addressed Congress on September 16, 2001 he would have gotten it.

If we had left Iraq in smoldering ruins Iran would not be an issue today. You can't play nice in war and win nor can you fight by the ROE's that basically tie our troops hands and second guess them. The new Iraqi Embassy should have been a fortified large military base for ground troops and an air base not a resort for state department morons.

139 posted on 06/13/2014 1:44:17 AM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: cva66snipe

“If we had left Iraq in smoldering ruins Iran would not be an issue today”

No, but our enemy in Riyadh and Islamabad would be.

If, on the other hand, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan had been conquered by 2003, and their American governors were now in their second decade, our new friend Saddam Hussein would have the Persians whipped into shape and we wouldn’t be discussing any of this.


140 posted on 06/13/2014 1:52:52 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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