Posted on 06/12/2014 5:00:44 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
Bush and Cheney in charge? I yearn from those days.
It was the Kenyan arseclown that geniously left zero presence in Iraq after the war was wound down. Common sense dictates you leave some sort of forward base, if not just for deterrence purposes.
But then again, we’re talking about Obama.
Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
The people leading this country for the past several decades have looted the American treasure, totally sold out middle class America and sent their jobs overseas and borrowed trillions from Communist China etc....The fat cats made fortunes, while our Veterans and Ma and Pa in middle America eat sh*t. They are killing us.
Enough!
I'll support fortress battleship America before we continue with these truly insane country killing policies which are laying waste to the U.S. middle class back bone.
I think I remember something that Thomas Jefferson said about entangleing alliances...
Yes. Our greed and hubris have cost us everything. We have devolved to the state of enui (IMHO) that were trapped in prior to WWII. This is not the first time we tried to spend our way to prosperity. This time, the war is/will be on our shores as well.
Stay safe.
You have NO idea what you are talking about.
You've NO way to know any of this!
Wishful thinking, after the fact, still doesn't work.
Bush had it fixed by the time he left office - it was on autopilot for a relatively smooth exit - needed only the negotiation of a force to remain behind to support the Iraqi army in defending against threats like the one destroying the country now - instead Obama abandoned the field without arranging for such support, Al Maliki purged the military of those leaders who had been trained by and worked with the US to replace them with his cronies and political buds, and QED.....
LAtimes latimes latimes, your boyfriend Obama has been President for how long now? When does he get passed the buck? Why not go back and blame the brits for carving Iraq into the map in the first place?
You know who I blame though? Iraqis, and Syrians, and Kurds, and Persians. That whole region is just plain effed up.
Cover for Barry...squawk...cover of Barry...squawk....Cover for Barry...squawk...
Does Paul Whitefield know that Congress voted for the Iraq War?
I'm not antiwar. My concepts of war for the PC crowd would be called barbaric. But war is such and we have forgotten that fact. It can't be kinder & gentler war.
First rule in war. You do not sent troops to spill their blood for less than a complete and defined stated military goal of elimination of enemy as the reason. How the enemy feels is not important. We didn't do that. People hee hawed about Baghdad Bob and how funny he was. But Baghdad Bob's very presence and ability to communicate to the masses after day 3 only showed that the U.S. sent troops in to rebuild Iraq rather than destroy it as they should have been told to do. By day three I could tell it was a nation building mission. So could a few others in FR.
What was the end result? Murtha... Anyone remember him? He ran his own personal persecution program against troops in combat we left hanging out to dry in what was supposed to be a war situation. Where was Rummy? Sucking his thumbs. Where was Bush? Off to Mexico trying to build his North American Corporate trade utopia.
Wise up GOP & DEMs and learn some hard lessons on war from mistakes our nation has kept repeating since Korea costing us countless lives for wars our leaders lack the will to win. You go to war to win or you stay home. Either/Or no exxception. You go to war for obtaining the unconditional elimination of the threating nation or their unconditional surrender.
You do not give the enemy a new military for the next Dirt Bag fanatical group of "we kill you now" tribal religious radicals to use against us yet again. You do not rebuild their infrastructure to use again. War is a punishment and our leaders including bush and Obama turned it into a rewards system. Thankfully none of the leaders in DC today were in office during WW2 or we would have lost and I aim that comment equally at both parties leadership.
No actually they didn't. They voted for a authorization of use of force to uphold United Nations resolutions. It was not a declaration of war, congress was not bound to it as they would have been for a formal declaration of war, and like previous such acts we got the same outcome.
I don't give a flying rip about the U.S. upholding U.N. resolutions. If we send troops to combat they deserve no less than a backing by formal declaration of war so the turds in congress can not come back and place blame like they are now. That is why that resolution for UOF instead of declaration of war is a very bad idea. Troops were sent to Iraq without a clear objective. It went downhill after Saddam's capture and Bush's insane idea of an Iraqi trial for him. Iraq should have been leveled period and the reporters not embedded either.
I have an idea how to resolve both Iran and Iraq. Get the two nations back at war with each other.
That was actually George Washington who said that, in his farewell address, but otherwise you are correct...
the infowarrior
“Congress refused to vote a formal declaration of war”
If Bush had asked for war, and 60 divisions to fight it when he addressed Congress on September 16, 2001 he would have gotten it.
If we had left Iraq in smoldering ruins Iran would not be an issue today. You can't play nice in war and win nor can you fight by the ROE's that basically tie our troops hands and second guess them. The new Iraqi Embassy should have been a fortified large military base for ground troops and an air base not a resort for state department morons.
“If we had left Iraq in smoldering ruins Iran would not be an issue today”
No, but our enemy in Riyadh and Islamabad would be.
If, on the other hand, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan had been conquered by 2003, and their American governors were now in their second decade, our new friend Saddam Hussein would have the Persians whipped into shape and we wouldn’t be discussing any of this.
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