Posted on 06/10/2014 7:50:56 AM PDT by Kaslin
It's hard to have an honest conversation about gay issues because liberals treat anything other than outright celebration of all things gay as "hate." That doesn't leave people much room to discuss a complicated issue that involves real human beings who often have to deal with a lot of challenges because of their sexual orientation. If you're a compassionate person, you have to feel some sympathy when you talk to people who are closeted because they're afraid that their relatives won't accept them or someone who feels isolated and alone because his sexual orientation makes it impossible for him to have a romantic relationship with 98% of the population. Life is hard for most of us -- and if you know people who are gay, chances are you recognize that it's even harder for them.
Yet and still, you can't deny reality because there may be a few people who don't want to hear it. Sure, you don't want to unnecessarily create pain in people's lives, but ultimately, nothing creates more misery than abandoning common sense because the obvious truth might hurt someone's feelings.
1) You can't change your gender: Have you ever heard of Body Integrity Identity Disorder? Long story short, there are people out there who believe they're "supposed to" have less limbs. Maybe they want to get rid of an arm or a leg. The "problem" these people run into is that surgeons consider it unethical to remove a healthy, functioning body part and refuse to saw off their limbs. Instead, they just refer these people to a psychologist. That seems to make sense, doesn't it?
Yet, when we have people who want to mutilate themselves to "change their sex," we don't treat that as a mental disorder. Instead, we take it seriously. So seriously in fact, we have 9 year olds getting hormone treatments so they can pretend to be another gender.
If a client went to a doctor and said he thought he was a cow, we wouldn't send him to a surgeon to get horns and udders attached. Yet, you can no more change your sex than you can change into a cow. Even if you have a "sex change," your sex hasn't actually changed. A man who mutilates himself to look like a woman, still isn't female. He can't have a child. Very few men are going to knowingly date a man who's surgically mutilated himself to look like a woman. This is a terrible, horrible thing we're doing as a society to these mentally ill people. Instead of getting them the mental help they need, we're catering to their pathology. It's cruel, it's wrong, and a more compassionate society wouldn't wallow so deeply in political correctness that we'd allow people to do this to themselves.
2) Some people do choose to be gay: Most Americans tend to believe that people who are gay either choose it OR are born that way. However, the evidence suggests that there tends to more of a range of sexual behavior for people who are gay. Some people are clearly "born" gay and have always been attracted to the same sex just like most heterosexuals are only interested in contact with the opposite sex. However, there are also people who are more sexually ambiguous and some of them CHOOSE to be gay. If you want to see an actual example of that, here's an excerpt of an interview I did with lesbian talk show host, Tammy Bruce.
John Hawkins: Let me ask a related question to this because I thought this was kind of fascinating because it’s so different from what you often hear. In the book, you were talking about how you came to decide that you wanted to be a lesbian and you pretty much framed it in those terms. It was a choice. You were attracted to men and women and you chose to — you just liked women better — would you say that’s common or….
Tammy Bruce: Well, it’s difficult to say because it’s so politically incorrect to ask these questions. It’s one of the reasons why ‘ and I’ve made that discussion in the epilogue ‘ so that…parents (could allow) their children (to read) at their discretion.
...There is such a variety, at least within the community itself, …about why women identify as lesbians, but even what that means.
There are a number of women who identify as lesbians, some of them, somewhat well-known, have regular liaisons with men. …There are some women in the community that you could get to know…who’ve experienced violence at the hands of men and have turned to women for that reason. There are other women who say that they’ve been gay since they’ve been born and that, of course, is also politically incorrect to question or to ask them how or why they know that.
If that doesn't convince you, then ask yourself why so many "gay" Americans end up with kids?
In the US, around 37% of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transsexual people have a child, about 60% of which are biological.
In other words, there are a lot of "gay" Americans having enough straight sex at some point in their lives to produce a kid. Again, it's clear that there are also people who are "born that way," but there are an awful lot of gay Americans who don't fall into that category.
3) Conversion therapy is a good thing if people want it: Let me say it as clearly as I can: No gay American should be pressured, harassed or involuntarily forced to go to therapy to try to treat their gayness. That sounds more like brainwashing than therapy and it's not something that should be going on in this country.
On the other hand, if someone who's gay WANTS to be treated, why should he be stopped from seeing a therapist? Granted, it would probably be futile for someone who has been attracted to the same sex since birth to try to change his orientation via counseling, but as we've already noted, not everyone is in that boat.
There are plenty of "gay" Americans who also feel some attraction to the opposite sex. What's wrong with letting them get therapy if they want it and think it will make them happier? As a psychology major, I can tell you that I've read numerous old psychology books that matter-of-factly mention therapists successfully treating homosexual patients who then went on to date, marry, and have children. Does that mean it worked for every patient? Of course, not. No treatment works for everyone. But, would it work for some people who want treatment? Apparently, it does.
So, why should this even be a political issue? Because it makes some gay people who don't believe they can change or don't want to change uncomfortable? Because it might mean they have to tell some hopeful relative that, no, that therapy isn't for them? That's certainly not a conversation anyone would want to have, but it's morally wrong to deny therapy to people who might benefit from it because it makes other people uncomfortable.
4) Gay bullies have become commonplace in America: The biggest jerks you will ever run across are people who feel entitled to act like creeps because they believe they're victims. A lot of gay Americans have had bad experiences with people who've treated them poorly because they're gay. It's unfair, it's wrong, and it's something that shouldn't happen.
Unfortunately, a small subset of gay, liberal Americans wear their victimhood as a badge and believe it entitles them to oppress people who haven't hurt them in any way. The whole idea that an unwilling Christian baker or photographer should be forced to bake a cake or take pictures at a gay wedding is fascistic. It's similarly despicable to try to get people fired for opposing gay marriage. The people doing these things aren't victims or crusading for civil rights; they're just run-of-the-mill ***holes who happen to be waving a rainbow flag.
5) Gay scoutmasters would be more likely to molest Boy Scouts: There's a lot of back and forth on whether gay men are more likely to be pedophiles than heterosexuals, but in the end, it really doesn't matter very much when it comes to the Scouts.
Why is that?
Because a teenager in the Boy Scouts shouldn't be spending a lot of alone time out in the woods with someone who could potentially be attracted to him. This is so basic we don't even think about it when teen girls are involved. If a thirty year old, strapping male P.E. teacher took a group of 15 year old cheerleaders out in the woods, their parents would GO INSANE. Incidentally, they'd be right to be upset. Similarly, a gay man has no business being in the woods with a bunch of teenage boys. In fact, if the Boy Scouts ever allowed gay Scoutmasters in their organization, it would kill them as dead as Disco because most parents don't want their child spending a lot of alone time with an adult who could be sexually attracted to him. In fact, that is so obvious it's clear that the people pushing this idea the hardest are primarily concerned with destroying the Boy Scouts, not enabling "gay rights."
Very good, and very true.
Short of finding its own way to overturn all the things which are bedeviling it, for instance, (which is the preferable solution to many 'social ills'), no one else is allowed to mention the problems which rampage through any ethnic community, and those within the community will be shouted down as acting as 'outsiders', or an equally derisive epithet.
People who insist on others having problems (perhaps so they can feel superior) will always stand in the way of the frank discussions needed to find real and lasting solutions.
She said she decided. So she might be one of those who just likes it like that.
Ew.
bkmk
“It’s hard to have an honest conversation about gay issues because liberals treat anything other than outright celebration of all things gay as “hate.”
The money line is the very first line.
Are you saying that male and female police officers had to use the same locker room where you worked?
No, it reveals that they die young. Life expectancy studies are about when people die, not when they change their behavior.
You own post seems to argue that #7 is correct. Am I misunderstanding what you wrote?
I think you’ve hit the nail on the head. It’s an article of faith for much of the left that the world’s population needs to be reduced to about 100 million. They see homosexuality furthering that goal. They not only can’t reproduce, but they also die early. They’re a twofer!
Ridding us of surplus population....you could be right afsnco
No genetically modified foods ... they'll kill ya' and make your babies come out glowing green with three heads ...
But'cha' can cut of a wangus and fold the skin over, or implant a broomstick, pump 'em full of juice and ... voila ! an entirely different human being.
Sick frikkin' puppies !
Thanx for the thought pattern, '64 Impala (nice ride)
car's pretty neat too ...
That's tagline material right there. BTT
How about homoabomination? Abomination=disgusting. Or homobarf?
Homonauseous. I'm sick of them.
No, the studies I’m thinking of assumed a significant number of homosexuals died because they were no longer reported but that was only because they no longer self identified as homosexual.
Then they weren’t life expectancy studies.
#7 states that the average life expectancy of homosexuals is 43. The way I recall this is that the studies that came to this conclusion were dependent on homosexuals self identifying as homosexual, where a change in their self identification resulted in false “deaths”. In other words the age of 43 appears to be when a large number of men (and women) stop identifying themselves as homosexual. The article I read that explained this went and found a few of the former homosexuals and they were happily married with a family.
I know what a life expectancy study is thank you.
I didn’t say 43 years. I said 1 to 3 decades early
However, you are saying that practicing homeosexuals do have early deaths. Those who stop homosexual practice appear to benefit
No, we always had separate locker rooms for males and females. I meant to say that it was taboo to suggest that homosexuals should have separate locker rooms.
I'm not sure I totally agree with that, however, before you get the idea that I'm defending them or denying they're mentally ill...
I suspect that sociopaths have a higher tendency towards homosexualism, which is why it's more prevalent in prisons.
I believe most MALE homosexuals (and this is an important distinction, male homosexualists and female homosexuals are not the same) were molested as children. This would explain the 300 X more likelihood of them molesting male children. This shattering of a child's innocense, as it were, leads to them having sexual relations with a shockingly high number of other partners (heterosexuals @8, homoists @115).
I suppose some male homosexuals are "born that way" just as some folks are born with depression, a tendency towards alcoholism, rage disorder, etc. but the majority were molested as children, and keep raping children to make the next generation of homos.
These people need help. To tell an alcoholic (for example) that "drinking is just fine for you! Let's make accommodations for you and if anyone tells you that you drink too much, they should be punished. YAY!!! Let's celebrate your heroic alcoholism!" is simply cruel and destructive. The cornerstones of liberalism.
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