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Southern Baptists Face a Moment of Decision on Gay Marriage
Christian News ^ | June 2, 2014 | Al Mohler

Posted on 06/06/2014 6:39:56 AM PDT by robowombat

Southern Baptists Face a Moment of Decision on Gay Marriage (and You Will Too)

Al Mohler | President, Southern Baptist Theological Seminary | Monday, June 02, 2014 ChristianHeadlines.com SOUTHERN BAPTISTS FACE A MOMENT OF DECISION ON GAY MARRIAGE (AND YOU WILL TOO)

10 Comments Print Email #gay marriage #church #opinion #southern baptists Southern Baptists will be heading for Baltimore in just a few days, and the annual meeting of the Southern Baptist Convention is to be held in a city that has not hosted the convention since 1940. This time, Baptists attending the meeting will face an issue that would not have been imaginable just a few years ago, much less in 1940 — a congregation that affirms same-sex relationships.

Just days before the convention, news broke that a congregation in suburban Los Angeles has decided to affirm same-sex sexuality and relationships. In an hour-long video posted on the Internet, Pastor Danny Cortez explains his personal change of mind and position on the issue of homosexuality and same-sex relationships. He also addressed the same issues in a letter posted at Patheos.com.

In the letter, Cortez describes a sunny day at the beach in August of 2013 when “I realized I no longer believed in the traditional teachings regarding homosexuality.”

Shortly thereafter, he told his 15-year-old son that he “no longer believed what he used to believe.” His son responded with an even more direct word to his father: “Dad, I’m gay.” As Cortez writes, “My heart skipped a beat and I turned towards him and we gave one another the biggest and longest hug as we cried. And all I could tell him was that I loved him so much and that I accepted him just as he is.”

According to the pastor, events then came rather quickly. On February 7, 2014, his son, Drew, posted a “coming out video” on YouTube. Two days later, the pastor told his church about his new position on the issue (also posted on the Internet). In his message to the New Heart Community Church congregation, Cortez admitted that his “new position” represented a “radical shift” that put him into conflict with both the position of the church and the convictions of the denomination, the Southern Baptist Convention. He acknowledged that his change of heart on the issue of homosexuality put him at odds with the SBC’s confession of faith, the Baptist Faith & Message.

In his letter, the pastor said that his aim was to see the congregation “allow for grace in the midst of disagreement.” To his regret, he said, many in the church were not pleased and the church had to consider whether to terminate the pastor. After voting on March 9 to prolong the time of consideration and prayer, the church voted on May 18 not to dismiss the pastor and “to instead become a Third Way church.”

Cortez cited Vineyard pastor Ken Wilson’s book, released earlier this year, A Letter to My Congregation. Wilson, who serves a Vineyard church in Ann Arbor, Michigan, describes his book as “an evangelical pastor’s path to embracing people who are gay, lesbian, and transgender in the company of Jesus.” Wilson argues that, even as he has come to affirm same-sex behaviors and relationships, the issue need not divide congregations or Christians.

Pastor Cortez cited Wilson’s argument as foundational to the position he and his church are now taking — “agree to disagree and not cast judgment on one another.”

But, there is no third way. A church will either believe and teach that same-sex behaviors and relationships are sinful, or it will affirm them. Eventually, every congregation in America will make a public declaration of its position on this issue. It is just a matter of time (and for most churches, not much time) before every congregation in the nation faces this test.

The impossibility of a “third way” is made clear in Pastor Cortez’s own letter.

In one paragraph, he writes:

“So now, we will accept the LGBT community even though they may be in a relationship. We will choose to remain the body of Christ and not cast judgement. We will work towards graceful dialogue in the midst of theological differences. We wee that this is possible in the same way that our church holds different positions on the issue of divorce and remarriage. In this issue we are able to not cast judgement in our disagreement.”

But in the very next paragraph, he writes:

“Unfortunately, many who voted to remain traditional will now separate from us in a couple of weeks. We are in the period of reconciliation and forgiveness. Please pray for us in this. Then on June 8, we will formally peacefully separate, restate our love for one another, and bless each other as we part ways. It has been a very tiring and difficult process.”

In two successive paragraphs the pastor refutes himself. His church is not going to take a middle ground. He states clearly that “we will accept the LGBT community even though they may be in a relationship.” And his church did not unanimously “agree to disagree,” for a significant portion of the church is leaving on June 8, just 48 hours before the Southern Baptist Convention convenes in Baltimore. Many “who voted to remain traditional” are now forced by conviction to leave the church.

Why? Because there is no “third way.” The New Heart Community Church has voted to “accept the LGBT community even though they may be in a relationship.” Even if it is claimed that some continuing members of the church are in disagreement with the new policy and position, they will be members of a church that operates under that new policy. At the very least, their decision to remain in the congregation is a decision to stay within a church that affirms same-sex behaviors and relationships. That is not a middle position. It is not a “third way.”

For some time now, it has been increasingly clear that every congregation in this nation will be forced to declare itself openly on this issue. That moment of decision and public declaration will come to every Christian believer, individually. There will be no place to hide, and no place safe from eventual interrogation. The question will be asked, an invitation will be extended, a matter of policy must be decided, and there will be no refuge.

There is no third way on this issue. Several years ago, I made that argument and was assailed by many on the left as being “reductionistically binary.” But, the issue is binary. A church will recognize same-sex relationships, or it will not. A congregation will teach a biblical position on the sinfulness of same-sex acts, or it will affirm same-sex behaviors as morally acceptable. Ministers will perform same-sex ceremonies, or they will not.

Interestingly, a recent point of agreement on this essential point has come from an unexpected source. Tony Jones, long known as a leader in the “emerging church” has written that there is no “third way” on same-sex marriage. As Jones notes, denominations may study the issue for some time, but eventually it will take a vote. At that point, it will either allow for same-sex marriage, or not.

In his words:

“And the same goes for an individual congregation. At some point, every congregation in America will decide either, YES, same-sex marriages will take place in our sanctuary, performed by our clergy; or NO, same-sex marriages will not take place in our sanctuary, performed by our clergy. There is no third way on that. A church either allows same-sex marriages, or it doesn’t.”

Tony Jones and I stand on opposite sides of this issue, but on the impossibility of a “third way” we are in absolute agreement. Conservative evangelicals have understood this for some time. It is interesting that those on the left now understand the issue in the same “binary” terms. There is no middle position. Once again, Tony Jones gets right to the essential point:

“What I’m saying is that a church or an organization can study the issue in theory, and they can even do so for years. But this isn’t really a ‘third way’ or a ‘middle ground.’ Instead, it is a process. And at some point, that process has to end and practices have to be implemented. At that point, there’s no third way. You either affirm marriage equality in your practices, or you do not.”

Actually, as we have seen, Pastor Cortez makes the same point. The practice of his congregation is now to accept openly-gay members and members in openly-gay relationships. That does not allow for any middle ground, and that is why his church faces an exodus of members next Sunday.

Now, the Southern Baptist Convention also faces a moment of unavoidable decision. A church related to the Convention has officially adopted a gay-affirming position. The Baptist Faith & Message, the denomination’s confession of faith, states that homosexuality is immoral and that marriage is “the uniting of one man and one woman in covenant commitment for a lifetime.”

Furthermore, the Convention’s constitution states explicitly that any congregation that endorses homosexual behavior is “not in cooperation with the Convention,” and thus excluded from its membership.

There is nothing but heartbreak in this situation. Here we face a church that has rejected the clear teachings of Scripture, the affirmations of its confession of faith, and two millennia of Christian moral wisdom and teaching. But the Convention also faces a test of its own resolve and convictional courage.

I am confident that the Southern Baptist Convention will act in accordance with its own convictions, confession of faith, and constitution when messengers to the Convention gather next week in Baltimore. But every single evangelical congregation, denomination, mission agency, school, and institution had better be ready to face the same challenge, for it will come quickly, and often from an unexpected source. Once it comes, there is no middle ground, and no “third way.”

Sooner or later — and probably sooner — the answer of every church and Christian will be either yes or no.

I am always glad to hear from readers. Just write me at mail@albertmohler.com. You can follow me on Twitter at www.twitter.com/albertmohler

Publication date: June 2, 2014


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy
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To: Bulwyf

Because he WANTS to support it so he just skips those parts.


21 posted on 06/06/2014 7:10:26 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: robowombat

“Dad, I’m a bank robber.”

“Dad, I’m an adulterer.”

“Dad, I’m a murderer.”

Would any of those confessions cause the man to stop believing in the traditional teachings regarding such sins? Nope. Yet he has decided to disregard the Bible and delude himself that queerness is just a form of “love.”


22 posted on 06/06/2014 7:11:40 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization).)
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To: kidd
Agree. This convention will be more church discipline than anything else. They will get the issue out in the open, vote (to find the pastor and congregants guilty), and excommunicate them.

This will be a message for other like-minded religious leaders (I will not call them pastors because they are not).

23 posted on 06/06/2014 7:12:01 AM PDT by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: Bulwyf

The fact that this is even up for discussion, shows how much things have changed in this culture.

We are well on the way to normalizing homosexual marriage in our civil laws.

So now, pressures will be brought to bear to allow homosexual marriage in churches.

It’s predictable that splits within denominations will happen over this issue. As I understand it, in the Southern Baptist Convention, individual churches decided to join, or decide to leave. Unfortunately some congregations will try to prove how liberal they are, and leave the convention.

It puts more pressure on all of us as individuals as well, to make sure our local churches retain the traditional doctrines on marriage and family . We as individuals may find that we have to leave our long time church homes, if our churches decide to normalize homosexuality. We may all have to make such a choice.


24 posted on 06/06/2014 7:12:08 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego (et)
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To: Sybeck1

The SBC openly chose sin when it refused to speak clearly on the sin of sending children to government schools. It is also inching to the left on amnesty, the environment, feminism, and, even more so, on “diversity”. I belong to an SBC church, but I will be out the door as soon as my older sons leave for college.


25 posted on 06/06/2014 7:12:26 AM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: snoringbear

The Baptist Church embraces the apostasy of “Once Saved Always Saved” so this isn’t a great stretch. It carries a type of libertarianism alongside of it.


26 posted on 06/06/2014 7:12:30 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: snoringbear

You’ve stated the problem perfectly.

These kids grew up watching ‘Will and Grace’. And getting all the anti-bullying (ie, pro gay) mantra delivered every single day in what was probably public school.

It’s a fait accompli. It’s just a matter of time. Within a generation they’ll be performing the wedding ceremonies in church. All the old people who would have objected will be long dead. The young will see nothing wrong with any of it.


27 posted on 06/06/2014 7:13:25 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Yes, I’ve thought about that, but the day my church stops adhering to biblical teaching, is the day I walk. I might end up in a basement with a handful of other believers, but I will NOT conform, I will stick with the word of God, at any cost.


28 posted on 06/06/2014 7:15:35 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: robowombat

ping


29 posted on 06/06/2014 7:16:44 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: ThePatriotsFlag

The visible church can, has and will fall away. True believers never will. This is a winnowing, a separation of the wheat from the chaff. Sadly, there appears to be a lot more chaff than wheat nowadays. But the chaff won’t have a good end.

Luk 3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:
Luk 3:17 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and will gather the wheat into his garner; but the chaff he will burn with fire unquenchable.


30 posted on 06/06/2014 7:17:13 AM PDT by afsnco
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To: snoringbear

It isn’t the “friends”, because, media messaging to the contrary, sodomites are few and far between. The real problem is the government schools and media that indoctrinate the children endlessly on the sodomite lifestyle. The SBC sowed the seeds of its own destruction when it embraced government schools. The current leadership bears responsibility for that, as well as prior leaders.

The SBC is dead. Its alleged orthodoxy doesn’t translate into practice because they have made an idol of keeping the membership numbers up. I know because I know some of the leaders.


31 posted on 06/06/2014 7:17:29 AM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: robowombat

Al Moehler has rubbed me the wrong way in the past, but he is spot on in this message. There is no compromising “third way” on this issue.


32 posted on 06/06/2014 7:19:50 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: AppyPappy

The only problem is that it’s true.

“Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:”


33 posted on 06/06/2014 7:22:12 AM PDT by 2nd Amendment (Proud member of the 48% . . giver not a taker)
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To: Bulwyf

Agreed. Well said.


34 posted on 06/06/2014 7:22:13 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego (et)
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To: robowombat
We will choose to remain the body of Christ and not cast judgement...In this issue we are able to not cast judgement in our disagreement.”

Ah, yes. Mustn't judge...the very worst sin of all sins on earth, it seems. Perhaps now, the only sin.

35 posted on 06/06/2014 7:23:21 AM PDT by Nea Wood (When people get used to preferential treatment, equal treatment seems like discrimination.-Sowell)
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To: fwdude

Very true. There’s no way to have a 3rd way or a compromise. Either a church will allow homosexual marriage or it won’t. Either they will allow and affirm open homosexuality, or they will hold to traditional teachings that such behavior is sinful. Choices will have to be made.

It’s quite possible that years from now, that most mainstream denominations will have split into two groups over this issue.


36 posted on 06/06/2014 7:24:49 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego (et)
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To: 2nd Amendment

Assuming you’re a believer.


37 posted on 06/06/2014 7:25:05 AM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: kidd
There is no way that Southern Baptists will condone this.

Of course they won't openly condone this. That is not the usual pattern of apostasy. The tactic of Satan is to subtly, in tiny increments, work questioning apostasy as "honesty" into a group, little by little.

Several years ago during their annual convention, the President of the SBC agreed to meet with a group of some of the most radical homosexual activists who were attempting to change the policy of the SBC toward homosexuality. Such a meeting would NEVER have occurred even 10 years ago. That such a meeting even occurred, even though the president wouldn't budge on the stated position of the denomination, was seen as an enormous victory by the sodomite lobby.

And in a sense, they were right. They obtained a place at the table, from which they derive incredible leverage.

38 posted on 06/06/2014 7:26:09 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: ThePatriotsFlag

Christenodom has nothing to do with this, I believe.

In the name of Christendom it is the enemy in the gate who distorts, directs and destroys. Christendom has many claiments but increasingly fewer adherents, which marks the glaring difference.

Also, Christians knew this was coming and much more, until as Jesus said of his second coming, “will there be found any faith on earth”.


39 posted on 06/06/2014 7:27:04 AM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: Arm_Bears

And you can almost see the wave coming from the State of CA...meaning loss of tax exempt status for Bible believing churches.

My faith doesn’t depend on the tax exemmpt status of my church...but I can see how the government can make things more difficult. How long until the Bible is declared hate speech ? Not long, I’m sure.


40 posted on 06/06/2014 7:27:28 AM PDT by rights with responsibilities
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