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The letter ends saying that they will refer you to some pastor that supports abortion.

Pro-lifers need to contact Planned Parenthood to see who these pastors are so people can avoid them or try to convert them to the true Jewish or Christian faith.

1 posted on 06/02/2014 12:29:42 PM PDT by topher
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To: topher
“The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose.
An evil soul producing holy witness
Is like a villain with a smiling cheek,
A goodly apple rotten at the heart.
O, what a goodly outside falsehood hath!”

― William Shakespeare, The Merchant of Venice

2 posted on 06/02/2014 12:32:57 PM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: topher

I recommend “The Protestant’s Dilemma” by Devin Rose. He discusses the whole thing about every Protestant has a different interpretation of the Bible. The most insidious of this letter is that God loves us no matter what. He loves us but if we reject Him, he cannot make us be with Him.


3 posted on 06/02/2014 12:33:58 PM PDT by Mercat
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To: topher
Father Paul Schenck once explained what the Jewish faith teaches about abortion: that in the Old Testament there was great joy in having children.

Rachel lamenting that she did not have any children is the case where a woman is barren and in the Old Testament.

As far as Christianity is concerned, Jesus would have been foolish to speak about abortion as it was a central part of Jewish law/tradition to have children.

It is in the Didache or the Teaching of the Twelve Apostles to the Gentiles that abortion is prohibited. It also prohibited homosexuality.

The reason it is in these writings is that the audience was the Gentiles. Jewish people, at the time of Christ, knew that abortion was wrong.

4 posted on 06/02/2014 12:35:01 PM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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To: topher
The truth is that abortion is not even mentioned in the Scriptures—Jewish or Christian...

Well, one could go to the "Declaration" of scripture, the ten commandments: "Thou Shalt NOT kill!"

7 posted on 06/02/2014 12:36:43 PM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: topher

“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, And before you were born I consecrated you; I have appointed you a prophet to the nations.”
Jeremiah 1:5


9 posted on 06/02/2014 12:43:05 PM PDT by Ouchthatonehurt ("When you're going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston Churchill)
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To: topher

These people who wrote this letter, came up with this wicked scheme....I am glad I am not them.


10 posted on 06/02/2014 12:48:36 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: topher

There’s nothing about pastors that makes them anything other than human. And, thanks to the abortion/baby parts industry, we’ve gotten a good look at how twisted, perverted and murderous humans can be.

As for the “complex decision,” it’s more often about convenience than anything else.


12 posted on 06/02/2014 12:50:45 PM PDT by DPMD
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To: topher
These people, whether sincere or not, are playing with fire. I tremble when I think of the judgement that awaits.

Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!. Isaiah 5:20

14 posted on 06/02/2014 12:53:52 PM PDT by Robwin
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Bible too vague for you Planned Parenthood? How about the Code of Handsome Lake, the Seneca Prophet

SECTION 4

"'Now another word. It is sad. It is the fourth word. It is the way Yondwi'nias swa'yas. = "she cuts it off by abortion."

Now the Creator ordained that women should bear children.

Now a certain young married woman had children and suffered much. Now she is with child again and her mother wishing to prevent further sufferings designs to administer a medicine to cut off the child and to prevent forever other children from coming. So the mother makes the medicine and gives it. Now when she does this she forever cuts away her daughter's string of children. Now it is because of such things that the Creator is sad. He created life to live and he wishes such evils to cease. He wishes those who employ such medicines to cease such practices forevermore. Now they must stop when they hear this message. Go and tell your people.'"

So they said and he said. Eniaiehuk.

15 posted on 06/02/2014 12:58:03 PM PDT by Claud
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“No one should be allowed to force their faith teachings on anyone else.”

But, PP just said abortion isn’t mentioned in any of the Scriptures, so how could somebody be forcing it if no faith’s documents condemns it?


16 posted on 06/02/2014 1:00:51 PM PDT by thetallguy24
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To: Morgana

ping


19 posted on 06/02/2014 1:23:16 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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“For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb.”
Psalm 139:13


20 posted on 06/02/2014 1:24:26 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: topher

I read your profile and found it a bit in error:

“The first example is the Battle of Lepanto. It took courage for the Western nations of Europe to band together and stand against the Turkish fleet — which might have overrun Western Europe with the Islamic faith.

In this great battle, all of the sailors were ordered to pray. It became not only a military battle but also a spiritual battle for this reason. The Christian forces seemed to be on the verge of a military defeat when there seemed to be a Divine intervention — a change in the wind that was extremely unfavorable to the Turkish fleet and gave the victory to the Christians.”

You attribute the Battle of Lepanto to Western Europe and Christian forces. Actually Northern Europe/Protestant nations did not and would not participate. It was Catholic Nations and Catholic Forces. It seems your copy and paste job is a little too general or generous, and inaccurate.


21 posted on 06/02/2014 1:27:39 PM PDT by RBStealth (--raised by wolves, disciplined and educated by nuns.)
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To: topher

Something I wrote about 20 years ago:

There is in the Torah, in the Book of Exodus, Chapter XXI,
verses 22-25, a passage that has been used as a rationalization
for a pro-choice position. In the King James version it reads,
“If two men strive together, and hurt a woman with child (Ishah
Harah - pregnant woman), so that her fruit (Yelodehah - her
child) depart, and yet no harm (Ahsoon - misfortune, accident)
follows, he shall be surely fined, according as the woman’s
husband shall lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges
determine. But if harm follow, then thou shalt give life for
life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.”

Some have taken this passage to mean that, since the causing
of a miscarriage is not considered to be homicide, and since the
KJV calls the fetus “her fruit”, this is a sign that G-d wants
abortion legalized. Some modern translations have gone so far a
to insert “cause her to miscarry”, and many people actually
believe that this is what it says. Therefore, any Christian or
Jew who is pro-life is a hypocrite. My cousin, a Hebrew
teacher, made this very argument to our Rabbi, who was pro-life.

At my request, she translated this passage word for word,
and she no longer can use it as a rationalization for a pro-
choice position. She may still be pro-choice, but she can no
longer use this passage as her rationalization.

First, the fact that it says “V’yatzoo Yelodehah - and her
child departs, or goes out” not “and her fruit departs” as the
KJV so delicately puts it, or “and causes her to miscarry” as the
modern versions translate, makes it clear that what is in her
womb is a child, not an orange.

Second, as my cousin pointed out, the passage says “if no
harm follows”, but does not specify upon whom the harm is not
inflicted. It does not specify mother or child.

Third, even if the pro-choice interpretation is correct, it
does not support a pro-choice position, nor invalidate a pro-life
one. If the causing of a miscarriage through negligence is not
homicide, it is still described as a serious crime. What does
that say of an intentionally caused miscarriage, ie. abortion?


23 posted on 06/02/2014 1:30:47 PM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: topher

26 posted on 06/02/2014 2:03:29 PM PDT by lightman (O Lord, save Thy people and bless Thine inheritance, giving to Thy Church vict'ry o'er Her enemies.)
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To: topher

One can find ‘religious leaders’ advocating any particular sin from A to Z.

This does not legitimize the sin; it identifies the amount of wisdom the ‘religious leader’ has. In this case, none.


27 posted on 06/02/2014 2:05:07 PM PDT by lurk
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PP thrives on the killing of nascent, human life.


30 posted on 06/02/2014 2:51:53 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: topher
Wow: Planned Parenthood points to the BIBLE to justify having an…

So?

The Devil does exactly the same thing...


Matthew 4:1-11  (NIV)

 

Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted[a] by the devil. After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry. The tempter came to him and said, “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”

Jesus answered, It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’[b]

Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. “If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written:

“‘He will command his angels concerning you,
    and they will lift you up in their hands,
    so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.[c]

Jesus answered him, It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’[d]

Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. “All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.”

10 Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’[e]

11 Then the devil left him, and angels came and attended him.


36 posted on 06/04/2014 1:13:59 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: topher

Did anyone else notice that no tradition or Scripture interpretation was seen in the above dialog?


37 posted on 06/04/2014 1:15:13 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: topher

It helps PP’s argument if they skip over the “...be fruitful and multiply...” part.

Also that pesky Psalm 139 thing; too.


38 posted on 06/04/2014 1:17:10 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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