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Feds rile ranchers by fencing off water for cattle — to protect a jumping mouse!

1 posted on 05/12/2014 1:08:13 PM PDT by jazusamo
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Gov Susanna Martinez just poked the Holy Emperor in the eye


2 posted on 05/12/2014 1:11:05 PM PDT by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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Sounds like a good place to dump a couple hundred pounds of Decon. No more endangered mouse.


3 posted on 05/12/2014 1:12:14 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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Woo-hoo! States rights! Freedom!


5 posted on 05/12/2014 1:13:08 PM PDT by vpintheak (I will not comply!)
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Inmates now running asylum?


6 posted on 05/12/2014 1:13:48 PM PDT by Ole Okie (OU)
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If the Feds like that rodent so much they should come and round them up and take them home.


8 posted on 05/12/2014 1:18:15 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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The mouse is expected to be listed as an endangered species in June.

Soooo, it’s not listed yet. Open the gates, set my
bovines free.

Who the hell are the Wildearth Guardians and why is
our government settling with them?


9 posted on 05/12/2014 1:19:02 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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There’s a special law involved and it favors ranchers. I’ll have to go back and find it again.


10 posted on 05/12/2014 1:21:32 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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Please bump the Freepathon or click above and donate or become a monthly donor!

11 posted on 05/12/2014 1:21:45 PM PDT by jazusamo
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NM who voted for zer0? gotta get some popcorn.


12 posted on 05/12/2014 1:26:52 PM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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Does the Forestry Service have a SWAT team? Think we’ll find out?


13 posted on 05/12/2014 1:29:19 PM PDT by MeganC (Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.)
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"The only comment during Monday morning’s meeting came from Denise Lang, a local activist who said the commission should defer to the federal government on matters affecting forest sustainability.

“Many of us have families who have sacrificed lives and lands, but we trust the United States Forest Service to sustain our forest,” said Ms. Lang.

If the USFS did in fact sustain the forests, she might have a point. Yet, it seems to me, that the most spectacular and catastrophic fires in recent years are on federal lands. The policy appears to be one of Let it Grow, Let ir Rot, and Let it Burn. Untold thousands of animals have lost their lives in these BBQs, and may of them on the "endangered species" list. And now, instead of bothering to find a reasonable compromise, the USFS simply bullies its way into a solution.

14 posted on 05/12/2014 1:32:45 PM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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“The meadow jumping mouse (Zapus hudsonius) is the most widely distributed mouse in the subfamily Zapodinae. It may be found from the Atlantic coast, to the Great Plains, as far north as the arctic tree lines in Canada and Alaska, and as far south as Georgia, Alabama, Arizona, and New Mexico.”

To even suggest that this New Mexico variety is so endangered that 193 square miles of land should be put off limits to human use is tantamount to declaring the sewer roaches of New York City endangered.


20 posted on 05/12/2014 1:41:04 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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I thought mice and rodents were pests to be eliminated. What makes this one so special?

-PJ

25 posted on 05/12/2014 1:47:32 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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I’m amused by all the threads on here decrying the actions of the various federal agencies (e.g. USFS, BLM et al). They don’t make the rules, they just (try to) enforce the rules, rules that are made by Congress. Rules that were demanded by you and I. That’s right. You. Me. As in “We The People”. Unfortunately, We the People doesn’t just include those of us in FReeper Land and those of us living in the hinterlands of the far west. It also includes people in New York and Boston, Tampa and Chicago, Seattle and Los Angles and even (shudder) San Francisco...

The environmental groups like the Sierra Club and a whole host of others go to the folks in these great population centers, show them a picture of a lush green forest and a clearcut or a scrawny cow kicking up dust in an overgrazed field and a picture of a beautiful meadow and a stream, and say, “Which one do you like best? Write your congressman and senator and tell them to support our programs and we can make it happen! (and by the way, send us money...)” So, legislation is passed, agencies like the EPA are built and nobody cares a whit what the professional managers say. All it takes is the price of a stamp to protest a timber sale or other action and tie it up in court for years. Everything is geared toward the protestors, even to the point of the feds having to pay their court costs. Until that process is changed so that the protestors have a little more stake in the game, nothing is going to change.

Oh, by the way. Dumping Decon isn’t going to solve anything. It’s still “Habitat”, even if the mouse isn’t there. If you have a thick northern forest with snowshoe rabbits (hares) present, it’s considered lynx habitat, even if there hasn’t been one there in a hundred years....


33 posted on 05/12/2014 2:02:02 PM PDT by Old Forester
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Every entering Lincoln National Forest should be armed with a gun and a cat.


36 posted on 05/12/2014 2:23:44 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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Funny how the “progressives” could not figure out if they just had to push some folks around, the Cowpokes were the last ones who would just roll over.

Yes the WhiteyHut is very subversive to our liberty and prosperity, but they are also totally inept on every front. Good for us they can’t get their shite together.


37 posted on 05/12/2014 2:41:55 PM PDT by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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WildEarth Guardians

Who no doubt get funding from the EPA...

45 posted on 05/12/2014 3:12:22 PM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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as far as I'm concerned if some critter cant get out of the way of a caterpillar d-9 it has endangered itself-survival of the fittest.
57 posted on 05/13/2014 7:34:01 AM PDT by rolling_stone
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here we go again. The ranchers have water rights. In the West, water rights are not arbitrary to the whims of some federal revenuer. Federal infringement of water rights has driven ranchers and growers in the Central Valley (Calif) out of business and is driving the free range cattle industry western-wide out of business. Think for a minute who owns these businesses and consider that these businesses (like car dealers several years ago) are being systemically attacked. Who’s doing the attacking?


59 posted on 05/13/2014 9:14:33 PM PDT by blueplum
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We
proposed to designate approximately
310.5 kilometers (km) (193.1 miles (mi))
(5,892 hectares (ha) (14,560 acres (ac))
in eight units as critical habitat within
Bernalillo, Colfax, Mora, Otero, Rio
Arriba, Sandoval, and Socorro Counties,
in New Mexico; Las Animas, Archuleta,
and La Plata Counties, Colorado; and
Greenlee and Apache Counties, Arizona.

snip

approximately 99 percent of the total
proposed critical habitat designation,
are currently unoccupied by the species,
but are essential for the conservation of
the species.

snip

Critical habitat designation for the
New Mexico meadow jumping mouse is
unlikely to generate costs exceeding
$100 million in a single year. The total
incremental section 7 costs associated
with the proposed designation are
estimated to be $19,000,000 over the
next 20 years, or $1,100,000 on an
annualized basis (seven percent
discount rate) for both administrative
and conservation effort costs.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2014-04-08/pdf/2014-07629.pdf

(the 193 miles of habitat means 193 miles of river confiscated in geographic areas where water access is few and far between - but wait. there’s more! taxpayers get to pay a million a year for administrative costs for a rat. Of course, we shouldn’t mention that rats benefit from cows, since, like the turtle, it eats grasses and forbes that grow in Cow Patties)


61 posted on 05/13/2014 9:30:51 PM PDT by blueplum
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