No Surprise As East Ukraine Cities Vote Against Kiev

Forbes ^ | 5/12/2014 | Kenneth Rapoza

[McGruff]

Eastern Ukrainian cities voted to inch closer Moscow and further from Kiev on Sunday, following in the controversial wake of Crimea, a Black Sea peninsula formerly part of Ukraine.

Between 94% and 98% of eligible voters in Ukraine’s eastern provinces of Luhansk and Donetsk both voted for greater autonomy from Kiev, the head of the region’s Central Election Committee said on Monday.

[kiryandil]

The cabinet resigned, but yanko DID NOT. He fled, due to the threat of violence by the Maidan Radicals.

That is called a Coup D’etat.

Hey! You're just saying that because it's true!

[tcrlaf]

lol...
Spin it any way you like, it doesn’t change the fact that the ELECTED government was pushed out in a coup, by violent means, with Obama Administration support.

I think the REAL issue is, that despite all of the evidence, that YOU don’t want to admit to yourself that you were wrong.

Well, events have now moved far past you, and your desperate rhetoric. It is time to admit the obvious, and move on. If you really gave a damn about Ukraine, you’d be pushing for a negotiated solution, not more bloodshed.

NONE of this would be happening had the government not been violently overthrown.

[kiryandil]

???

[DoughtyOne]

????

[kiryandil]

lol...
Spin it any way you like, it doesn’t change the fact that the ELECTED government was pushed out in a coup, by violent means, with Obama Administration support.

Hey! Quit saying stuff that's true! How can anyone put words in your mouth if you keep doing that?

LOL! :)

[Laissez-faire capitalist]

Svoboda “Freedom” (formerly known as Social Nationalist party (The Nazis being the National Socialist party) having 1/4 of the temporary gov’t positions and being in bed with Right Sector makes Kiev legitimate? Coups are legitimate?

The WH initially said that the coup in Egypt that overthrew the Muslim Brotherhood was apparently illegitemate in their eyes and thus they could not get any foreign aid from the U.S.

I guess Obama gets to decide what is and isn’t legitimate...

Social Nationalist and/or National Socialist Party: worst political parties that can be conceived. We must all stand with the Jewish people!

[tcrlaf]

“Hey! Quit saying stuff that’s true! How can anyone put words in your mouth if you keep doing that?”

I know, I know...
I keep letting those pesky facts get in the way of good rant.

The bottom line is had the coup not happened, Crimea would still be under a Ukrainian flag, and people wouldn’t be killing each other in the East.
(well, more than normal, anyway...)

The real blame here lies at the feet of Barack Obama, Vistoria Nuland, and the US State Department, which saddens me to no end.

[Laissez-faire capitalist]

I know.

I can't figure out why they think we must be the sugar daddy for the planet, and like a good paternalist, “oversee” every corner of the globe.

We are broke for starters. Secondly:

All the while these establishment types/RINOS let the U.S. border go to ... in a hand basket.

[DoughtyOne]

lol...

Spin it any way you like, it doesn’t change the fact that the ELECTED government was pushed out in a coup, by violent means, with Obama Administration support.

Protesters held what I consider to be violent protests.  Please explain what permanent government was installed to replace either the Parliamanet of the President?

In truth, there wasn't a permanent government isntalled.  A temporarty leadership was installed to last until the elections on May 16th.  That isn't a coup.

It is merely one of the normal ways a presidency changes under a Parliamentary system.  The president lost the confidence of his cabinet and his party in the parliament.

I think the REAL issue is, that despite all of the evidence, that YOU don’t want to admit to yourself that you were wrong.

Guy, if you could show me where I am wrong, I would be more than willing to concede.  It is my take on things that you are throwing out terms like coups, NAZIs, and the like to move opinion.  I don't believe you are justified in those tactics based on what has taken place.

Well, events have now moved far past you, and your desperate rhetoric. It is time to admit the obvious, and move on. If you really gave a damn about Ukraine, you’d be pushing for a negotiated solution, not more bloodshed.

Russia needs to pull it's nose out of the Ukraine's business, pure and simple.

NONE of this would be happening had the government not been violently overthrown.

The government was not violently overthrown.  You stated that the president's cabinest resigned, and he followed suit.

That does not constitute a violent overthrow of the government.  The leadership resigned..

[DoughtyOne]

That should have been posted to tclarf.

[Laissez-faire capitalist]

First McCain did a photo op with Syrian, um, err, “rebels” and then stood with Svoboda stooges on stage back in December. McCain sure knows how to pick em’!

[dfwgator]

Goes all the way back to Kosovo when McCain was cozy with the KLA Terrorists.

[tcrlaf]

Now you are just being disingenuous again.

You have had it explained to you, many times already. I really have to question your motives, when you keep lying in the face of truth.

[McGruff]

A temporarty leadership was installed to last until the elections on May 16th. That isn't a coup.

LOL.

[kiryandil]

Why are you posting your garbage to me?

If tcrlaf is beating you up with the truth about what happened in the Ukraine, go try to put words in HIS mouth, not mine.

BTW - tcrlaf didn't post anything about "the president's cabinest". Is that some sort of pet marsupial?

[kiryandil]

You have had it explained to you, many times already. I really have to question your motives, when you keep lying in the face of truth.

I saw that line in The Terminator:

"It's what he does - it's ALL he does..."

[tcrlaf]

Things are about to get a LOT more interesting... TWEET from AFP: Agence France-Presse· BREAKING Russia threatens to cut off Ukraine gas from June 3 Medvedev just warned Europe that gas flows may be "Inconsistent" after that date. They are demanding that Ukraine PRE-PAY for gas deliveries upfront, or no gas.

[kiryandil]

Thanks for the update!

[DoughtyOne]

Svoboda “Freedom” (formerly known as Social Nationalist party (The Nazis being the National Socialist party) having 1/4 of the temporary gov’t positions and being in bed with Right Sector makes Kiev legitimate? Coups are legitimate?

I don't know anything about this party.  Under a Parliamentary system colations are almost always a necessity though.  Generally there are many parties, and coalitions are need to make up a clear majority.  It doesn't necessariliy mean that a party that forms a coaltion with antoher party would have to agree with it's tenets.

When the KKK's members used to vote with the Democrats, it was because the Dixie Demorats were comfortable being a part of the KKK.  In the 1990s when David Duke was endorsing the Republican Party candidates, it wasn't because the Republicans favored the Klan.  It was because the Demcorats had become so objectionable to the Klan, that it preferred to support Republicans.  The KKK was a ship without a port.I submit that this type of dynamic takes place in a Parliamentary system.

The WH initially said that the coup in Egypt that overthrew the Muslim Brotherhood was apparently illegitemate in their eyes and thus they could not get any foreign aid from the U.S.  Okay...

I guess Obama gets to decide what is and isn’t legitimate...  Okay...

Social Nationalist and/or National Socialist Party: worst political parties that can be conceived. We must all stand with the Jewish people!

And who says we shouldn't?

Under a Parliamentary system, the minor parties don't get a controling voice.  They merely get a voice.  If a bad party is there, soemtimes a coalition is necessary so the decent larger party can be elected.  I does not mean that the larger party agrees with all the groups in it's coalition, and will drive their agenda home.  It merely means that it needs the coalition to get it's own agenda implemented.

[DoughtyOne]

Well, I guess that was the best you could do at pointing out what specifically I said that was untrue.