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Victims of Campus Rape Should Be Dialing 911
Real Clear Politics ^ | May 8, 2014 | Froma Harrop

Posted on 05/08/2014 9:28:18 AM PDT by Second Amendment First

If a 19-year-old high-school dropout raped by her ex-boyfriend wants justice, she calls the police. The same should apply to a 19-year-old college freshman similarly attacked by another student.

But it doesn't apply nearly enough. Colleges have let themselves become arbiters of violent crime. They have no business being in that business. Furthermore, they got into the business for bad reasons.

The inevitable result has been students suing their universities over what they see as an inadequate response to their allegations of sexual abuse. The feds are investigating several schools -- including Harvard, Princeton, Ohio State and Florida State -- over the matter.

Many colleges want sexual crimes on campus handled in-house so the public doesn't learn of them. In Rhode Island, for example, colleges have recorded 500 sexual assaults over a recent decade, but only one involved a call to police.

The other bad reason is that many of the aggrieved women prefer going to university authorities for a more cushioned experience. It is believed that a college-based panel investigating charges of "gender-based sexual misconduct" will be more sympathetic to the woman's narrative.

It is also assumed that colleges will place less emphasis than police on possible mitigating circumstances: Whether the woman and her alleged attacker were drunk. Whether they already had a consensual sexual relationship, which is usually the case.

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Universities have become sanctuaries for criminal behavior.

But do not assume that you have constitutional rights there like free speech or firearm possession.

1 posted on 05/08/2014 9:28:18 AM PDT by Second Amendment First
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To: Second Amendment First

Actually, there is a disconnect here in the Federal Law that requires colleges and universities to report campus related crimes in a timely manner to employees, faculty and to parents IIRC.

I get these all the time as retired faculty - way too many in fact. I can see where the ultimate disposition of such crime might be sidetracked, but they should still be required to publicize the initial allegation if a formal campus police report was issued.


2 posted on 05/08/2014 9:32:53 AM PDT by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: Second Amendment First

If you call 911 on campus, you will often get the campus police, as the campus is in their jurisdiction.

Many large universities have their own police force with campus jurisdiction.

The regular police will just transfer you to them, if you call the regular police number and thew crime occurred on campus.


3 posted on 05/08/2014 9:38:01 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: ltc8k6

http://duke.edu/police/

http://duke.edu/police/services/index.php


4 posted on 05/08/2014 9:40:22 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: Second Amendment First; tx_eggman

In the world intended by our forefathers, victims of attempted rape would be unloading their firearms into the perpetrator.

The knowledge of that possibility would deter most acts before they start.


5 posted on 05/08/2014 9:43:02 AM PDT by SpinnerWebb (IN-SAPORIBVS-SICVT-PVLLVM)
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To: Second Amendment First
Victims of Campus Rape Should Be Dialing 911

... and leading off the conversation with "I feared for my life, which is why I pulled out my handgun and shot a man."

6 posted on 05/08/2014 9:46:15 AM PDT by kevkrom (I'm not an unreasonable man... well, actually, I am. But hear me out anyway.)
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To: Gaffer

The purpose of the campus police is to protect the university, not the students.


7 posted on 05/08/2014 9:52:22 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Gen.Blather

Yes, as with their lawyers et al. However there are Federal laws that require them to report things like this in a very timely manner. I see them all the time.


8 posted on 05/08/2014 9:54:17 AM PDT by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: Second Amendment First

Many times both the male and female are intoxicated and the woman decides later that she was too drunk to give consent. But for some reason, the male is never given that option.


9 posted on 05/08/2014 9:54:21 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Your Honor, I was intoxicated and would never have slept with here if I were sober.


Bright future: And long before Yale Law, living in Arkansas, marrying  Bill Clinton,  the White House, and her own run for president, Mrs Clinton was just a 22-year-old recent graduate with plenty of dreams

10 posted on 05/08/2014 10:00:11 AM PDT by Second Amendment First
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To: ltc8k6

I thought so!

Why would the police want to get involved with some hungover chick feeling remorse over hooking up with some dude after a night of drinking?

“Yeah, you say you were raped? Well, sober up and go talk to your RA”.


11 posted on 05/08/2014 10:12:52 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Second Amendment First

Long been true. Sex crimes on campus stay within campus.

Illegal drug use is a similar issue. I wonder if many universities are trending away from owning dormitories and housing of their own, in a deliberate attempt to isolate the university from connection with drug and alcohol use.

Consider:

(A) You have a bunch of teenagers in your house smoking dope and drinking T-Bird. The cops come. You go to jail.

(B) University President Smith and College Dean Jones have a bunch of teenager in their dorm house smoking dope and drinking T-Bird. The cops DON’T come. (Why not?) President Smith and Dean Jones DON’T go to jail. (Why not?)

Why don’t the cops take a stroll through the hallways of Faber Dorm at midnight on a Friday night? They could hall half the dorm off to jail, and the school administration, on any given Friday night.


12 posted on 05/08/2014 10:20:27 AM PDT by mbarker12474
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To: Gen.Blather

My wife’s brother is a police officer and he told her when she started college if anything at all happened to her while in college to call the local sheriff’s department first thing, and never call campus police ever. Campus police are not there to protect the student but to protect the university period.

I dated a girl for a while who was date raped at a college dorm. The president of the university knew what happened, but magically it all went away when the rapist uncle made a generous donation to the university.

The rapist was embolden by this turning away of the university administration’s eye and tried to get this girl alone again for another session. Through a series of lies and use of other college students and misinformation he succeeded in getting her alone again, this time however she was ready for him and threw down on him with her fathers 1911. Why she didn’t kill the punk is beyond me, but he never came near her ever again. He really did some long term damage to this girl and nothing was ever done to the douche bag.


13 posted on 05/08/2014 11:01:18 AM PDT by sarge83
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To: sarge83
I dated a girl.....

Me too....same type of situation; her attacker was pretty aggressive. Came back around, started stalking her, moved into a nearby dorm, broke into her room a couple of times.

She called the campus cops and got nada from them. I asked what I could do (kick the guy's teeth in? What?) and she said that she'd handle it, and I'd just make it worse. Being a dumb-as-a-box-of-rocks 18 year old, I just agreed.

Immediately after the second breakin, she called her dad.... who turned out to be well-connected. The next day, I was hanging around with her, and she said, "You probably want to leave. 'The Suitcase' is coming." (really, that's what she said!)

I left, but watched. In a few minutes, this Cro-magnon type who looked like he was 1/2 gorilla - but in a very nice suit and carrying a large steel-sided (think 1980's Miami Vice cocaine transport) suitcase (Really!) showed up and went into her room.

A few minutes later, he left, and went over to the scumbag's dorm. A few minutes later he left and drove away. And a few minutes after that, the scumbag ran - RAN - out of the dorm carrying a backpack and a box under his arm. He never came back.

Absolutely true story. I'd not have believed it if I didn't see it myself - it was like something out of a movie. I asked the girl what was said, and all she would tell me was that "Daddy took care of it." We didn't date for too awfully long, but you can be positive that I made sure breaking it off was HER idea.

14 posted on 05/08/2014 11:55:09 AM PDT by wbill
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