Are there out-of-sequence fossils that are problematic for evolution?

Creation Ministries International ^ | 4-17-2014 | by Gary Bates and Lita Cosner

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Are there out-of-sequence fossils that are problematic for evolution?

by Gary Bates and Lita Cosner

Published: 17 April 2014 (GMT+10)

In his debate with Ken Ham, (the ‘science guy’) Bill Nye dogmatically claimed, and asked Ham, to cite any out of order fossils in the geologic record, because if there were any, it would be problematic for the evolutionary model. Due to the seeming confidence of Nye’s assertion (and that it was not answered during the debate), many have contacted us for an answer on this single question. In addition, while out on ministry our speakers have mentioned how this question has often come up. At a recent event, Gary Bates encountered a Christian university student who said this question was being used as a club by lecturers and professors to ‘beat him with’. It appears that this seeming ‘knockout punch’ argument by Nye is being used as a ‘great’ falsification of the creation model.

[rjsimmon]

Or you believe various different MAN’s account of GOD.

There is one account. Christ's.

[celmak]

"Quote a from a real scientific publication’s real article not built on a straw man and we’ll talk."

Yeppers, liberal global warmists ask for the same conard.

[celmak]

"...generally?"

[plain talk]

... I am a Christian. I tick off everybody as an old earth creationist. :-). I believe in micro evolution and some species tweaking but nothing beyond that. God could have used evolution if He wished but see no evidence that He did so.

[Gadsden1st]

I am asserting using the Bible for proof will not work to explain observable facts to someone who does not accept a literal interpertation of the Bible.

I am not asserting that I do or do not accept the Bible is the Word Of God. I am only trying to demonstrate that it is part of a Belief system.

It is an extreme Act of Faith to accept the Bible as the direct and infallable Word Of God, totally free of “typos”.

Just as it is an extreme Act of Faith to accept Global Warming or Evolution as proposed by Darwin, or Gould, etc.

I respect your position.

[tacticalogic]

I am most definitely a Christian

Technically, that's a matter of theology, and those normally get discussed in the Religion forum. These threads provide a venue for people to attack each other over religious differences in terms and tactics that aren't generally considered acceptable or allowed there.

[Gadsden1st]

Actually there are several. King James Version for one. And I don’t ever recall seeing the Gospel of Christ in any of the different Bibles I’ve seen. It would have been an Autobiography.

I am not trying to be an @ss here, but there are different versions of the Bible. It is a collection. It has been put together by men. Gospels were left out, other text edited. I don’t think anyone would dispute that.

I am not ready to accept every number, word, comma, is completely accurate and that nothing, not one word, ever uttered by Christ has been lost.

Do you really believe that? And if you do..please tell me just which published version of the Bible is the ONE?

[driftdiver]

God existence is not predicated upon our belief or acceptance.

The Bible is an extremely well document book with original writings available for verification. Everything in it has multiple sources except for 3 sentences.

So belief in the Bible as being accurate is not “extreme”. For example there is more documentation of Christs actual existence, activities, and actual death then there is of Plato’s existence.

[driftdiver]

Gospels were NOT left out. Books of questionable origin and content were left out.

[Gadsden1st]

Oops! I saw this was about evolution. I thought is was a matter of theology.

[rjsimmon]

All transcripts of the Bible are derived from the codices, Codex Sinaiticus, Vaticanus, and Alexandrinus, and Ephraemi Rescriptus. They are taken from the autographs, which no longer exist. KJV is simply ONE translation, not a work unto itself taken from nothing. The NIV is another translation, taken from the same codices.

Tossing the "Gospel of Christ" in is juvenile.

I am not ready to accept every number, word, comma, is completely accurate and that nothing, not one word, ever uttered by Christ has been lost.

I do, with the caveat that the codices contained no commas. No one has stated that the Bible contains everything spoken by Christ, John himself said that the whole world would not have room for the books that would fill. The point of the matter is that Christ spoke of Creation. His Word is Truth, either you believe Him or you do not. The choice is individual and carries with it specific consequence.

And if you do..please tell me just which published version of the Bible is the ONE?

Take your pick, they all come from the same source. Do you believe God or man?

[qam1]

If we only use 5-10% of our brain

THis is a myth. We use all of our brains

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10%25_of_brain_myth

Or just type 10% brain myth in any search engine for more

[.45 Long Colt]

You are a Christian yet you believe there was death before the fall of man in the Garden? If you don’t believe the Bible, what is your “Christian” doctrine based on? Do you simply accept those doctrines that seem reasonable to your fallen mind?

I remind one and all:

“For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.” (Romans 4:3)

That fact was stated in at least four other Bible verses (Genesis 15:6, Romans 4:9, Romans 4:22, Galatians 3:6, James 2:23). Based on how often and how clearly the Scriptures makes this point, I can only believe God puts a high premium on taking Him at His word.

[jonno]

bookmark

[jcon40]

Appreciate the view. Read the Wikipedia article.

Looks like I need to do some further reading

Thanks

[JimSEA]

You are very skilled in ad hominem and straw man attacks. Intimidating anyone who would dare disagree with the "truth" you possess. You likely hope that a strong offense will take attention away from the weak creationist science you support. Have you ever considered the possibility that the creationist museums, research institutes, etc. are making money off the sincere religious beliefs of many Christians troubled by the apparent conflict between science and the literal interpretation of scripture??

Anyhow, I've listened to flood geology and anti evolution materials from various creationist sources. I've found it to be patent nonsense. However, I didn't want to form a one sided opinion.

You should go to YouTube and search for the "How The Earth Was Made" series. Search the titles a find something that interests you and watch it. One last thing, this video gives a helpful summary of geologic time.

[itsahoot]

I am most definitely a Christian...but sorry, folks the earth is not 4K years old,

I don't know a single Christian that believes the earth is only Four thousand years old.

[itsahoot]

And I don’t ever recall seeing the Gospel of Christ in any of the different Bibles I’ve seen

I guess you have never read the Book of Revelation.

[varmintman]

You're talking about the effects of stupid laws and rogue political parties, nothing like that happens in nature.

In nature, the first moment some animal species gets penned into some small area, it most often goes extinct as was the case with the little heath hen I mentioned.

[BrandtMichaels]

‘Nonsense’ as it is in the brain of the believer.

Evolution has zero verifiable future predictions and continually more problems to overcome with each passing decade since 1859 and you have a problem with what God has said fcol.

Or you could read once again with an open mind this time - creationscience.com