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After Fort Hood: Should soldiers be allowed to bear arms on base?
Fox News ^ | April 09, 2014 | John Lott

Posted on 04/09/2014 1:29:28 PM PDT by richardb72

In debates on gun control, gun opponents usually speculate about what might go wrong. Unfortunately, the current debate over arming soldiers on military bases is no different.

Except for the military police, soldiers on military bases are banned from carrying guns. But that hasn’t always been the case.

The ban itself hasn’t been around that long. It was proposed during the George H.W. Bush administration in 1992 as an effort to make the military a more "professional business-like environment." President Clinton rewrote and implemented the ban in 1993.

After the attack at Fort Hood this past week, many soldiers no doubt wished they had been carrying a gun. The six minutes before military police arrived at the scene proved much too long for the three people killed and 16 wounded.

Soldiers who survived the 2009 attack at Fort Hood, Staff Sgt. Shawn Manning, Sgt. Howard Ray and retired Sgt. Alonzo Lunsford, warn it is time the 1993 rule be revised.

Master Sgt. C.J. Grisham points out that there have been “nearly two dozen shootings at U.S. military installations” since the 1993 ban. Yet such attacks have not occurred in Iraq and Afghanistan, where virtually all soldiers have carried a loaded weapon. Nor were they occurring when guns were allowed to be carried on U.S. bases. Gun-free zones in the military have not worked any better than they have in civilian life. . . .

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1 posted on 04/09/2014 1:29:28 PM PDT by richardb72
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Should soldiers be allowed to bear arms on base?

In a word, YES!!!


3 posted on 04/09/2014 1:32:34 PM PDT by EXCH54FE (Hurricane 416,Feisty Old Vet !!)
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To: richardb72
"Apparently the only government department without a military force at its disposal is the military." --Mark Steyn
4 posted on 04/09/2014 1:32:52 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket)
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At this point it is not only illogical to deprive free citizens of the right to keep and bear arms, but it is also immoral. How any base commander worth his salt can sit idly by and allow their troops to be helpless in the face of such is madness and worthy, IMHO of courtmartial upon the grounds of dereliction of duty.


5 posted on 04/09/2014 1:35:20 PM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: richardb72

YES... YES... YES...!
The right to keep and bear arms should never have been taken away from our military.


6 posted on 04/09/2014 1:35:45 PM PDT by BuffaloJack (Freedom isn't free; nor is it easy. END ALL TOTALITARIAN ACTIVITY NOW.)
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To: F15Eagle
~~~It was proposed during the George H.W. Bush administration in 1992 as an effort to make the military a more “professional business-like environment.” President Clinton rewrote and implemented the ban in 1993.~~~

A few years ago, I had to get fingerprints in order to complete an application for a security clearance. I went down to the local police station to have print cards made. It cost $15.

The officer who took them was carrying. Great big .45. In the building, in police headquarters. His holster - judging from the scuffs and scrapes on it - had been worn every day for about thirty years.

7 posted on 04/09/2014 1:36:08 PM PDT by Steely Tom (How do you feel about robbing Peter's robot?)
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To: richardb72

I vote ‘Yes’ but ... well, here is the link ... http://www.newsobserver.com/2014/04/09/3769673/marine-guard-shot-to-death-by.html ... everyone is jumpy these days. Always happens afterwards a mass shooting. I still vote ‘Yes’!!! Am willing to take that chance.


8 posted on 04/09/2014 1:40:35 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: richardb72

Wait. Why would anyone want the Army to be “businesslike”?


9 posted on 04/09/2014 1:45:52 PM PDT by Seruzawa (Get ready, little lady. Hell is coming to breakfast.)
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You bet military personnel MUST be allowed to carry guns. They were trained in the maintenance and use of their
weapons. Every Israeli military carry their guns on and
off duty. They carry them while shopping, in a restaurant and everywhere they go. Switzerland has little to no crime
because every military reserve and active duty have their
weapons with them at all times. Thirty years ago, here in
Texas, and I imagine everywhere else in America, anyone with
any cajones carried their rifles on a gun rack in their
trucks. Now days where there are GUN FREE areas, it is a
place for easy picking gangsters. A bank in Texas has a
sign on their windows that every bank member has a gun and
has been taught how to use it. No one has tried to rob
them since the sign went up.


10 posted on 04/09/2014 1:47:10 PM PDT by tillacum
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“After Fort Hood: Should soldiers be allowed to bear arms on base?”

Dont be stupid. How can you trust soldiers with guns? /sarcasm


11 posted on 04/09/2014 1:50:07 PM PDT by lowbridge
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“as an effort to make the military a more “professional business-like environment.””

And THAT’S when the whole thing started downhill. Our profession and business are being ready to kill people and break their stuff. What more professional appearance could a warrior have than the implements of war?

Colonel, USAFR


12 posted on 04/09/2014 1:50:23 PM PDT by jagusafr (the American Trinity (Liberty, In G0D We Trust, E Pluribus Unum))
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To: richardb72

I think that the ban is insane.


13 posted on 04/09/2014 1:51:23 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Seruzawa

I don’t want any military to be prissy about their job.
Their job is to protect us against all enemies, foreign and
domestic. We should start letting our military be as a
military should be. Tough, and ready to protect those
around them.


14 posted on 04/09/2014 1:52:12 PM PDT by tillacum
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To: trisham

...shall not be infringed.


15 posted on 04/09/2014 1:52:16 PM PDT by DaveyB ("When injustice becomes the law; rebellion becomes duty." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: EXCH54FE

I think the correct balance is a partial “yes”.

Meaning that IF there are zero soldiers now carrying weapons at Ft Hood and other bases, and since there are about 40,000 soldiers at Ft Hood, lets reorganize and arm THE BEST 20,000 guys and gals. These would naturally be older, maturer, more settled, more accomplished people.

On “legal” alone, these people would then have to be trained substantially as shooting someone accidentally in a war zone is one thing because there are no civil trial lawyers around but Ft Hood is near Austin with the highest per capita lawyer count on earth.

Then each soldier carrying would have to go through the training for and obtain their CCL.

That would be as balanced a policy as is humanly possible. The younger less mature soldiers more likely to become involved in fights could be continued on no carry a few years. The point is GUN FREE must immediately stop and thousands of soldiers need to be armed so they can respond in seconds not minutes.


16 posted on 04/09/2014 1:53:13 PM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: lowbridge

After today’s incident in a PA school, knives will be next
on the list to take away from us.


17 posted on 04/09/2014 1:53:47 PM PDT by tillacum
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To: F15Eagle
Who proposed it under HW? Anyone know?

Some history here...

This Is Why Most Military Personnel Aren’t Armed on Military Bases — and It’s Not Clinton’s Fault (The Blaze)"
18 posted on 04/09/2014 1:54:47 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Cen-Tejas

According you your answer, we should not recruit the younger people into the military. We should recruit the older more mature individuals?


19 posted on 04/09/2014 1:58:04 PM PDT by tillacum
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To: richardb72

They’re already allowed, by the Constitution and their God-given rights.


20 posted on 04/09/2014 1:58:15 PM PDT by Boogieman
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