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Gunshot victims to be suspended between life and death
New Scientist ^ | Helen Thomson | 26 March 2014

Posted on 03/28/2014 7:48:37 PM PDT by neverdem

Doctors will try to save the lives of 10 patients with knife or gunshot wounds by placing them in suspended animation, buying time to fix their injuries

NEITHER dead or alive, knife-wound or gunshot victims will be cooled down and placed in suspended animation later this month, as a groundbreaking emergency technique is tested out for the first time.

Surgeons are now on call at the UPMC Presbyterian Hospital in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, to perform the operation, which will buy doctors time to fix injuries that would otherwise be lethal.

"We are suspending life, but we don't like to call it suspended animation because it sounds like science fiction," says Samuel Tisherman, a surgeon at the hospital, who is leading the trial. "So we call it emergency preservation and resuscitation."

The technique involves replacing all of a patient's blood with a cold saline solution, which rapidly cools the body and stops almost all cellular activity. "If a patient comes to us two hours after dying you can't bring them back to life. But if they're dying and you suspend them, you have a chance to bring them back after their structural problems have been fixed," says surgeon Peter Rhee at the University of Arizona in Tucson, who helped develop the technique.

The benefits of cooling, or induced hypothermia, have been known for decades. At normal body temperature – around 37 °C – cells need a regular oxygen supply to produce energy. When the heart stops beating, blood no longer carries oxygen to cells. Without oxygen the brain can only survive for about 5 minutes before the damage is irreversible.

However, at lower temperatures, cells need less oxygen because all chemical reactions slow down. This explains why people who fall into icy lakes can sometimes be revived more than half...

(Excerpt) Read more at newscientist.com ...


TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Science
KEYWORDS: suspendedanimation
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To: MacNaughton

They even spike it with lydocane and it still hurts like hell. Nope. Let me die. And I am dead serious. I would not want the CHANCE I had any conscious activity going on filled with it.

I have had a few of them due to med issues and uptake problems. NOT A CHANCE I want to be filled with it. I also want to know flush it from the tissues after a long soak considering a potassium OD will kill you all over. And it does not take much.


21 posted on 03/28/2014 9:08:40 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (I)
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To: neverdem

Hypothermia has been in use as a post cardiac arrest technique for several years now. It cuts down on the chance of being a vegetable afterward.


22 posted on 03/28/2014 9:10:15 PM PDT by Catmom (We're all gonna get the punishment only some of us deserve.)
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To: Norm Lenhart

It’s Saline, Sodium Chloride solution not potassium. Large amounts of potassium are fatal


23 posted on 03/28/2014 9:20:50 PM PDT by Kozak ("It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal" Henry Kissinger)
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To: Kozak

The article listed ‘cold potassium’ as well. Just going by what was written.


24 posted on 03/28/2014 9:24:38 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (I)
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To: Norm Lenhart
That person will have suffered a cardiac arrest after a traumatic injury, and will not have responded to attempts to start their heart. When this happens, every member of Tisherman's team will be paged. "The patient will probably have already lost about 50 per cent of their blood and their chest will be open," he says. The team sees one of these cases each month. Their chance of survival is less than 7 per cent.

I don't think being put out conscious will be on that patient's mind.

25 posted on 03/28/2014 9:29:42 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

All the brain dead people who ‘inexplicably’ woke up from comas discussing the experience may disagree.


26 posted on 03/28/2014 9:35:19 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (I)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Put it in your advance medical directive if you don’t want extraordinary measures.

Looks like none of the ANIMAL subjects did not seem worse for wear.

You just want to ban things because you personally dislike them.


27 posted on 03/28/2014 10:20:46 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Also, “All the brain dead people” weren’t so due to traumatic lack of blood at the moment.


28 posted on 03/28/2014 10:21:50 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

You jump to lots of unsupportable conclusions.


29 posted on 03/28/2014 11:03:49 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (I)
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To: Norm Lenhart

You’re an expert about that.


30 posted on 03/28/2014 11:06:13 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Nope. I’m the smartest man in any room I walk into.

Modest too.

But at least Ii can stay on a subject.


31 posted on 03/28/2014 11:08:57 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (I)
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To: chessplayer

FR is a political forum.


32 posted on 03/28/2014 11:10:07 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Norm Lenhart

When you’re so smart you get to dictate whatever the subject is according to your whim.

Not playing that game with you. Bye.


33 posted on 03/28/2014 11:12:07 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Toodles Brave Sir Robin. Lets not forget you initiated this tender moment...not I.


34 posted on 03/28/2014 11:14:40 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (I)
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To: Norm Lenhart

You wouldn’t know how if your life depended on it, which in fact it does.


35 posted on 03/28/2014 11:16:17 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

A threat? Oh now I get threats?

Give up.


36 posted on 03/28/2014 11:20:12 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (I)
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To: Norm Lenhart

You’re only a threat to yourself. Don’t complain you weren’t warned.


37 posted on 03/28/2014 11:34:43 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

By who? Some anonymous guy on the net?

For what? Cuz I made him haZ a sad?

How many threads do you intend to argue with me on today? You have yet to do anything but annoy people.

Oh wait, is this another religious ‘life depends on it” thing? Because I have to be honest. Judging by your IMO rep as a religious fanatic (at least according to what I read in your post history and replies to it) I have to think that’s what you mean. Because CLEARLY no one would be stupid enough to double down on physical threats on FR.


38 posted on 03/28/2014 11:47:04 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (I)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Hey if you scoff at God don’t blame me for the consequences.


39 posted on 03/28/2014 11:48:17 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

When you discover the unicorn carrying the post containing me scoffing at God, a video, an actual witness to any such event in the real world or some actual proof outside your warped view on things, please post it with my name on it and ping me so we can all revel in my damnation.

Since neither such a post, such an event, nor unicorns exist, I’ll chalk it up to my earlier post about your habbit of making unsupportable allegations. Because you see, making unsupportable...IE False... allegations about one’s neighbor is not a happy in God’s eyes. Which you just did.

In fact, he wrote a best seller discussing it. That’s where I read his opinion on the matter. You should check it out. It’s called The Bible.

Cool book.


40 posted on 03/28/2014 11:58:51 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (I)
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