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1 posted on 03/23/2014 11:43:14 AM PDT by annalex
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2 posted on 03/23/2014 11:44:06 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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While this explains the glaring and obvious illegality of Russia’s theft of Crimea, it won’t stop the bootlickers on this forum from praising it


3 posted on 03/23/2014 11:46:03 AM PDT by wideawake
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Putin memo to Commission: Go...pound...sand.


4 posted on 03/23/2014 11:53:26 AM PDT by cashless (Obama told us he would side with Muslims if the political winds shifted in an ugly direction. Ready?)
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Poor NWO. The march of progress falters, and Occupy Terra gets a tiny eviction notice.


5 posted on 03/23/2014 11:53:44 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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Is the Venice Commission another Soros funded Globalist front group that promotes “democracy” and “human rights”? If they are they can take their report and stick in their ear.


7 posted on 03/23/2014 11:56:18 AM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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I can have my own Commission and or Council and can issue my own conclusion.

Can’t see why anyone would pay any attention to it...


8 posted on 03/23/2014 11:57:28 AM PDT by babygene ( .)
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The Constitution of Ukraine like other...

Whoa, stop right there... What reason could there be to think that the constitution of the Ukraine means anything after the elected government of the Ukraine has been overthrown by a gang of Nazis??

9 posted on 03/23/2014 12:00:22 PM PDT by varmintman
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Pooty-poots army of ass-kissers took 10 minutes and 12 seconds to arrive. I guess the FSB monitors for FR were between 2nd and 3rd shift-change at 10:30 PM local time.


10 posted on 03/23/2014 12:02:28 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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As Con Clausewitz says, war is an extention of politics. Dirty political tactica and thug mentality always follows with a barrel to the head at the poll booth.


11 posted on 03/23/2014 12:03:05 PM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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A mob overthrew the Ukraine’s government which meant Crimea was no longer part of an existing national government.


18 posted on 03/23/2014 12:07:50 PM PDT by kathsua (A woman can do anything a man can do and have babies besides;)
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And Putin will care about some EU commission’s opinion, why?


22 posted on 03/23/2014 12:13:08 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Socialists want YOUR wealth redistributed, never THEIRS!)
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Any referendum on the status of a territory should have been preceded by serious negotiations among all stakeholders. Such negotiations did not take place."

Would the EU have stepped up and admitted that they considered themselves to be "stakeholders"?

I seriously doubt you can find a loophole in the Ukrainian Constitution that would permit the referendum, I'd be very surprised if you could. OTHO, I seriously doubt the Crimea considered themselves to be limited by the Ukrainian Constitution as opposed to their own definition of "autonomy". A definition they obviously think includes the right to break away from the Ukraine.

It's a case of theory vs. "Facts on the Ground" as the saying now goes. Back in my day, it was theory vs. who actually controlled the countryside when there wasn't a US grunt standing on it and in spite of the briefings in Saigon, we all knew the SVN government rarely controlled the ground a US grunt wasn't at least within sight of.

The Ukraine wasn't prepared to deal with even a minor guerrilla war in the Crimea even if Russia were only matching the EU small arms supplies to the Ukraine bullet for bullet. Given that obvious weakness, once nationalists in the Ukraine got vocal, IMHO, it was inevitable the crowd who want to be part of Russia rather than the Ukraine were going to become very active. Anything, and I mean anything, that Russia felt would threaten security around their bases in the Crimea was going to trigger exactly what we've seen.

If the EU had tried to stop the mass demonstrations and get the groups "to the table" to negotiate it wouldn't have been so painfully obvious that the EU was going to do whatever they had to do in order to keep the Ukraine from not doing what the EU wanted done. That may not have changed a thing but it at least wouldn't have been rubbing Russia's nose in the fact that the EU didn't mind supporting an overthrow of the government if that's what it took to put the Ukraine under the thumb of the EU.

As far as I can tell, Russia had no reason to believe that if the EU backed new government took charge that they wouldn't be faced with all sorts of "re-negotiations" related to their bases. Why people think Russia would believe that the same people who so recently have overthrown a number of governments would play fair with them once they installed a new government, I don't know. I do know that all my Russian friends were convinced that if the EU backed government took charge and the Crimea remained part of the Ukraine that the new government would want Russia out of the bases.

Is that paranoia on their part? Dunno, but it's how they were looking at things and everyone in the West seems to have not cared how Russia would see the changes as a threat. It was a, "Screw Russia" attitude from the start that I think led to Russia deciding they should move and do whatever it takes to regain control of the Crimea.

Would they have done so no matter what? I'm not so sure they would have if the the EU hadn't made it crystal clear Russia couldn't make any kind of deal with the Ukraine that the EU wasn't going to undermine by hook or by crook.

27 posted on 03/23/2014 12:28:22 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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And what all those academics think is of no value whatsoever.....They have no army to change what happened


28 posted on 03/23/2014 12:29:30 PM PDT by Nifster
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Bert, March 23,2014

Possession is .9 of the law


36 posted on 03/23/2014 12:40:19 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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Don’t they have any standards about a tire-burning violent mob instigating a coup?


47 posted on 03/23/2014 1:35:33 PM PDT by grania
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The more we hide behind phony “international law” concepts, the more it will come back to haunt us.


51 posted on 03/23/2014 1:49:29 PM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise. H)
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The Russians don’t care.

As for legality, the vox populi have spoken and as far as Moscow is concerned, the subject is closed.

If Europe wants to sue, it can go ahead.


55 posted on 03/23/2014 2:21:44 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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Lawyers vs tanks... I could go grab some popcorn and let that run for a while...


57 posted on 03/23/2014 2:24:30 PM PDT by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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Previously posted:

Current events: Ukraine

Escalation in Ukraine
Address to Owners of Weapons (Ukraine)
Sustaining Ukraine's breakthrough: EU expertise and markets are essential [Soros]
Ukrainian Major Archbishop appeals for solidarity and warns the danger of civil war is not over
Alarm in Ukraine as Putin Puts Russian Troops on Alert
A Jewel in Two Crowns [Soviet Sevastopol]
NATO warns Russia to cease and desist in Ukraine
Why Russia No Longer Fears the West
Who Will Stop Putin's Aggression
Illarionov: "Putin's aim is Kiev and all the Ukraine"
62 posted on 03/23/2014 2:30:58 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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One word:K O S O V O.

Kosovo was stolen from Serbia by NATO and the attempt to legalize the theft is ongoing since 2008.

It was in violation of UN Charter, UN Sec Resolution 1244, OSCE charter.

Serbia is UN member.

Serbia is member of OSCE.

Yet, The United States of America opted to steal it.

And U.S. client states jumped to recognize stolen Serbian territory as a "independent state".

It is worth noting that South Vietnam was also once recognized by U.S. as "independent state".

For some reason U.S.A. love to support decisions of Communist strongmen. Now, it's cry me a river when Ruskies got what is historically theirs.

Show me a country who recognized Kosovo as an independent state and I will show you the country contributing to this mess.

71 posted on 03/23/2014 6:55:51 PM PDT by DTA
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