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NASA-funded study: The way to save Western civilization from collapse is communism
The Daily Caller ^ | 19 Mar 2014 | Michael Bastasch

Posted on 03/19/2014 10:54:20 AM PDT by mandaladon

If the United States wants to avoid falling like the Roman Empire, it must avoid “overconsumption” and distribute resources equally, according to a study funded by NASA.

“The fall of the Roman Empire, and the equally (if not more) advanced Han, Mauryan, and Gupta Empires, as well as so many advanced Mesopotamian Empires, are all testimony to the fact that advanced, sophisticated, complex, and creative civilizations can be both fragile and impermanent,” reads the NASA-funded report published in the Ecological Economics journal.

“Two important features seem to appear across societies that have collapsed,” the study adds. “The stretching of resources due to the strain placed on the ecological carrying capacity and the economic stratification of society into Elites and Masses.”

The NASA study uses a Human And Nature DYnamical (HANDY) formula “to provide a general framework that allows carrying out ‘thought experiments’ for the phenomenon of collapse and to test changes that would avoid it.” In other words, the model only takes into account general characteristics of fallen civilizations, and not the specifics.

What did the study find? That collapse is hard to avoid in unequal societies as “[e]lites grow and consume too much, resulting in a famine among Commoners that eventually causes the collapse of society.”

Limits on resources harm the working class, while the wealthy are largely insulated from the problem, meaning resources continue to be used without regard to the cost to society. For example, “an increase in vehicle fuel efficiency technology tends to enable increased per capita vehicle miles driven, heavier cars, and higher average speeds, which then negate the gains from the increased fuel-efficiency.”

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To: mandaladon

I think you might find multiculturalism could be another reason.


41 posted on 03/19/2014 11:16:31 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: mandaladon

And how many people have been murdered by the love shared in communism? 100 plus million?

What are these idiots in NASA, pissing away our money, on a “study” like this?? This has to do with space, how?

Joe McCarthy was right after all.


42 posted on 03/19/2014 11:17:02 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: Jim Robinson

Hard to believe this bunch went to the moon. I love space exploration but NASA seems to have become the “scientific agency” the leftist trot out to try and scientifically explain their latest moonbat rants.


43 posted on 03/19/2014 11:21:23 AM PDT by sarge83
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To: mandaladon

The commies in power in this country are champing at the bit for their own “Holodomor” to occur right in the middle of the breadbasket, just like their Godfather Stalin taught them...


44 posted on 03/19/2014 11:21:59 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: mandaladon

I wonder whom did this study. Whomever it was needs to be exterminated as they are proposing virtual mass murder of many of the planet’s population.


45 posted on 03/19/2014 11:22:08 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: mandaladon

Isn’t this taking away from NASA’s primary mission (as it was redefined in 2009) of reminding Muslim countries of the great contributions of Muslim scientists?


46 posted on 03/19/2014 11:24:40 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: mandaladon

“. . . I’m sure Obama agrees with this.”

Apparently the Republicans in the House of Representative agree as well. They appropriated the funds for the study. They had the option of not funding it.


47 posted on 03/19/2014 11:26:57 AM PDT by Soul of the South (Yesterday is gone. Today will be what we make of it.)
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To: RatRipper

[ Adopting communism is the ONLY sure-fire way to cause the collapse, but close behind is progressives/closet commies sabotaging our current system into collapse.

Progressives = closet commies . . . I like that ]

Drowning by Statists

Commies - Drown you by forcing your head into a bucket of water

Progressives - Drown you by intentionally infecting you with Pneumonia and you drown slowly on the fuilds filling your lungs...


48 posted on 03/19/2014 11:27:37 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: mandaladon
Over consumption and resource depletion didn't kill any of those empires, it was the many, being managed by the few. Individualism is what America was founded upon, and it is what is under assault in America now and it's lack or resurgence is what will determine whether we stand or fall in times ahead...
49 posted on 03/19/2014 11:28:35 AM PDT by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: Da Coyote
So, they decided to get into something requiring much less intellect....

...but a whole bunch of faerie dust.

50 posted on 03/19/2014 11:30:48 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: mandaladon
"... “The fall of the Roman Empire, and the equally (if not more) advanced Han, Mauryan, and Gupta Empires, as well as so many advanced Mesopotamian Empires, are all testimony to the fact that advanced, sophisticated, complex, and creative civilizations can be both fragile and impermanent,” reads the NASA-funded report published in the Ecological Economics journal."

If NASA chooses to use Ancient and Classical civilizations as the bellwether for the fate of Modern America, I seem to notice they skipped over 3100 years of Ancient Egypt which distinctly came back from ruin and chaos three times to restore her former glory.

So maybe NASA should recommend the installment of a polytheistic God-King?

... Oh, wait.

51 posted on 03/19/2014 11:31:29 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: SkyDancer

Exactly. Not a model society government or economy.


52 posted on 03/19/2014 11:32:25 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: F15Eagle
The trick is the get the Big Lie something people want to hear. In this case, it is the redistribution will mean to the listener “I get more!”.

That isn't the reality.

53 posted on 03/19/2014 11:41:20 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: mandaladon

What business, right, or authorization, does NASA have in opining on an alternate form of government?


54 posted on 03/19/2014 11:48:17 AM PDT by G Larry (There's the Beef!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Is this NASA the National Space and Aeronautical Agency?? If so how does it get involved in societal structuring? If such, who and what is the guiding light or spokesperson? I never ever thought space travel would be fused with space government.


55 posted on 03/19/2014 11:51:28 AM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: mandaladon

The place has been over run by progressives since they aren’t doing anything in space anymore. Too much time on their hands.


56 posted on 03/19/2014 11:54:09 AM PDT by b4its2late (A Progressive is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: mandaladon
I guess I forgot. What does NASA stand for?

FMCDH(BITS)

57 posted on 03/19/2014 11:59:49 AM PDT by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: mandaladon

“The stretching of resources due to the strain placed on the ecological carrying capacity and the economic stratification of society into Elites and Masses.”
Well then, clearly we need to confiscate everything the elitists: politicians, Hollywood types, news people, university professors and the like own and give it to the working folks A.K.A. “the masses”


58 posted on 03/19/2014 12:01:08 PM PDT by spudville
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To: mandaladon

They know this from looking at the moon? Do they know which horse is going to win the Kentucky Derby, too?


59 posted on 03/19/2014 12:02:04 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: GraceG
I know I stole this from somebody on FR, but it says the same thing a different way:

Liberalism is just communism sold by the drink. - P. J. O’Rourke

60 posted on 03/19/2014 12:02:34 PM PDT by RatRipper (The political left are utterly evil and corrupt)
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