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Ron Paul on Crimea: Why does US Care ?
Politico ^ | March 18, 2014 | Tal Kopan

Posted on 03/18/2014 11:16:19 AM PDT by opentalk

Former Rep. Ron Paul says that America’s reaction to Crimea’s vote to secede from Ukraine should be,“so what?”

“Why does the U.S. care which flag will be hoisted on a small piece of land thousands of miles away?” the Texas Republican and libertarian icon wrote in a USA Today op-ed Monday.

...Over the weekend, Crimeans voted to secede from Ukraine and join Russia,which the Russian government has moved to approve. American politicians have called the vote a sham and the administration has said it does not recognize the results of the vote,placing sanctions on some Russian officials in response.

Ron Paul said at least three other regions, Catalonia, Scotland and Venice,are similarly seeking to leave their countries, and the U.S. and Europe should allow events to proceed uninterrupted there as well as Crimea, saying “self-determination is a centerpiece of international law.”

… Paul said the “minimal” sanctions from the White House is all the global economy can afford, and it is the global economy that promotes peace,not intervention.

(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Russia
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To: MarMema

A cartoon reference…..and I think you pooped your pampers.


81 posted on 03/18/2014 1:07:59 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: semantic

Dude, whatever you’re smokin, send me some…..


82 posted on 03/18/2014 1:09:35 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: Delta Dawn

Russia isn’t Germany. The Soviet union fought with allied forces to defeat Germany after Germany invaded the USSR.


83 posted on 03/18/2014 1:10:16 PM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: semantic
Everything Putin, et al have been doing since have been defensive reactions to our offensive campaign.

I cannot thank you enough for this.

How soon we forget!!!

Bush and Putin: Best of friends

"At the end of their first summit meeting in Slovenia Mr Bush described Mr Putin as a straightforward and trustworthy man. The Russian leader said he regarded the US as a partner."

How much we have lost.

84 posted on 03/18/2014 1:12:10 PM PDT by MarMema ("If Americans really wanted Obamacare, you wouldn't need a law to make them buy it." Ted Cruz)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
You have only been here a short time. I am hopeful that with more time here you will mature into the kind of folk this forum has been known for. If you head the other direction, you won't last long.

We value respect and intelligent discussion. Name calling really is just a way to make yourself look foolish and make others avoid you. Good luck.

85 posted on 03/18/2014 1:14:42 PM PDT by MarMema ("If Americans really wanted Obamacare, you wouldn't need a law to make them buy it." Ted Cruz)
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To: C. Edmund Wright; semantic

Semantic is exactly correct though.


86 posted on 03/18/2014 1:16:11 PM PDT by MarMema ("If Americans really wanted Obamacare, you wouldn't need a law to make them buy it." Ted Cruz)
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To: MarMema

See, that is one specific reason why we should not tax Americans to represent someone else: We never know what issues the Americans might have with who is being represented.


87 posted on 03/18/2014 1:19:33 PM PDT by CodeToad (Keeping whites from talking about blacks is verbal segregation!)
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To: opentalk
[RP] “Why does the U.S. care which flag will be hoisted on a small piece of land thousands of miles away?

Because the United States had learned, at the beginning of the 20th century, that war is incredibly destructive and terrible, and senior, responsible people (like Pres. McKinley) who had seen the South during and after the Civil War (in 1870, Shelby Foote told us on Ken Burns's documentary, 20% of the state budget of Mississippi went for prosthesis) decided that it would be worth a lot to us, never ever again to see a major war fought on our territory.

Capiche?

Now Ron Paul has unlearned not only that lesson -- through his bloodymindedness, which will NOT be convinced or swayed -- but also the lesson of the 1930's: Give people like Hitler and Stalin pieces of Poland, the Ruhr, and Czechoslovakia, and sooner or later they'll come to see you.

88 posted on 03/18/2014 1:29:14 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: rjsimmon
Putin is no Hitler

Oh, come on. Hitler wished he were Putin. Putin the thermonuclear-armed KGB spook, Putin the goon who showed up at a "meeting with ordinary Russians" to ask President Reagan, then touring Russia, hostile questions and join in the jeering and hectoring.

Putin the murdering Osobist slug, who especially likes to kill journalists on their own front porches.

How ya doin' Vlad, ol' buddy? Kill anyone today?

89 posted on 03/18/2014 1:32:39 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: MarMema

Zurab Tsereteli is a Georgian name. Ironic.


90 posted on 03/18/2014 1:34:25 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: MarMema
But that is exactly how they view us. And much of the rest of the world does as well.

When has America locked on to civilian targets like that?

91 posted on 03/18/2014 1:38:24 PM PDT by dragonblustar ( Psalm 103, Psalm 37:7, Ephesians 6:12)
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To: lentulusgracchus
The problem with this is that there have been invasions of other countries all over the world, by us too, and none of them ended in a world war.

I don't agree that you can say what Putin has done means he will take over all of Europe and then try to take us too. listing here

It is a faulty conclusion to reach - because Putin has annexed Crimea, and a few other places before that, that he now will go on to invade all of the former USSR countries, etc etc etc.

92 posted on 03/18/2014 1:39:13 PM PDT by MarMema ("If Americans really wanted Obamacare, you wouldn't need a law to make them buy it." Ted Cruz)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

You are correct!! Fascinating..


93 posted on 03/18/2014 1:40:12 PM PDT by MarMema ("If Americans really wanted Obamacare, you wouldn't need a law to make them buy it." Ted Cruz)
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To: MarMema

You a “third secretary” down at the Russian embassy? Putin putting trolls on FR now?


94 posted on 03/18/2014 1:41:21 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: skeeter
Personally, I believe 'spreading democracy' has been a disaster for this country. It cannot be done with blunt force.

It worked in Japan and Germany, but not much of anywhere else. But then, we made sure the enemy was totally defeated before even trying to make nice which we have not done since then.

95 posted on 03/18/2014 1:41:22 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: lentulusgracchus

Putin, who was invited to visit George Bush at his ranch in Texas and had a great time.


96 posted on 03/18/2014 1:41:48 PM PDT by MarMema ("If Americans really wanted Obamacare, you wouldn't need a law to make them buy it." Ted Cruz)
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To: MarMema
By the way, Russia is fascist if anything, farther to the right than we are without a doubt.

Only if you ascribe to the definition of left vs. right as continuously pushed by leftists. I prefer the alternative view of the political spectrum more appropriate to America and its competing ideologies than the old euro-centric perspective, wherein left is totalitarianism/statism/big-government/collectivist and right is freedom/individualist/small-government/small-l-libertarianism/anarchy. In that case, communism and fascism are both hard left ideologies.

97 posted on 03/18/2014 1:43:04 PM PDT by MCH
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To: MarMema
You could have said the same thing about the Austrian paperhanger in 1937. That he had no designs against the Low Countries, or Czecho, or Poland -- leave him alone, he's only being a Great Leader.

Ditto Tojo -- what do we care about what he does to the Chinese?

98 posted on 03/18/2014 1:43:24 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: lentulusgracchus

Past Performance is Not Necessarily Indicative of Future Results.


99 posted on 03/18/2014 1:44:12 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: MarMema
Putin, who was invited to visit George Bush at his ranch in Texas and had a great time.

How about Anna Politkovskaya and Irina Kabanova? They have a great time, too?

Oh, wait -- they're dead.

100 posted on 03/18/2014 1:45:46 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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