Posted on 03/04/2014 6:44:29 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
Russia's invasion of Ukraine was spurred by American behind-the-scenes actions, says former Ohio Congressman and Democratic presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich.
Fox News host Bill O'Reilly on Tuesday accused Kucinich of being a pacifist because of his opposition to the Iraq War, but Kucinich countered he believed that war was wrong, but not all U.S. military action is so.
O'Reilly then asked how Kucinich would have handled the Ukraine crisis had he been elected president.
"What I'd do is not have USAID and the National Endowment for Democracy working with U.S. taxpayers' money to knock off an elected government in Ukraine, which is what they did," Kucinich answered. "I wouldn't try to force the people of Ukraine into a deal with NATO against their interest or into a deal with the European Union, which is against their economic interest."
"So it's the USA's fault that Putin rolled in? We made them do it?" O'Reilly asked.
"Bill O'Reilly, if you don't believe in cause and effect I don't know what I can do for you," Kucinich responded.
Kucinich said the United States has been involved covertly and behind the scenes with the CIA and two government foreign aid groups, the National Endowment for Democracy and the United States Agency for International Development (USAID) to "stir up trouble in Ukraine."
He didn't specify what the groups had done, but said the National Endowment for Democracy had sponsored 65 programs. He said the United States should stay out of Ukraine's affairs and let their people decide their future without outside interference.
As a result, "you've got neo-Nazis that are in control," Kucinich said.
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You need to think like a Russian. If you were Russian, you would have studied Napoleon's invasion, and you would have older relatives who personally experienced Hitler's invasion.
For self-defense, you would want the Ukraine in Russia's orbit. Just as the USA wants Canada in the USA's orbit.
I'm not saying that Putin is correct, or that the Russian mind-set is correct. I'm not defending either one. But to understand Russian politics, you need to think like a Russian.
bamster already did along with the slim majority of Americans who voted for him who I will never forgive
Only because the American proxies were defeated at the Bay of Pigs. The US had every intention of "occupying" Cuba. The occupying force was to be American proxies, and not the actual American army.
Don't get me wrong. I wish the Bay of Pigs had turned out differently. The people of Cuba would have been so much better off had Castro been defeated.
Russia did not send proxies. Russia is occupying. Get it?
Dennis Who? He is still around?
Virtually unnoticed by the cameras at the event, I spotted Dennis and his wife, Elizabeth, milling around in the midst of the red-carpet mob at the Oscars the other night.
She is a lovely lady, towering over her husband by about 10 feet. Despite her taste in husbands, I did like her taste in gowns....and I especially loved her reply when she was asked by a mediacrat "what are you wearing?"......instead of the usual "Armani" or whatever, she answered "No idea....clothes".
Leni
I do not see where there is any difference. Regular troops, proxy forces, paid mercenaries, whatever. Old regime is gone. New (puppet) regime is in place. That's what Kennedy wanted for Cuba. And that's what Putin actually got for the Crimea.
The USSR's meddling in Cuba consisted of placing nuclear-tipped missiles there aimed at the United States. Hardly equivalent to any US "meddling" in Ukraine.
And therein lies your problem.
You're absolutely correct about that! No argument from me. But what matters is not how you or I see the situation. What matters is how the Russians see it.
We need to be aware of reality, certainly. But we must also be aware of the Russians' version of reality.
The only good thing I can say about Kucinich, is that he has a good looking wife. He can certainly be B. S. Crazy.
Oh, lovely. I don't think I have to repeat how I feel about State under Hillary and Johneffin'. More later and a BTT.
FOLLOW THE MONEY! National Endowment for Democracy has long been known as a CIA front organization. Guess who else funds with NED... Soros! So do ya think this was a slick little Obama/Soros operation to stick it to Putin while the Olympics were going on and he had to play nicey nice. A little pay back for Syria? Then Putin says I’ll be damned if I lose my bases in Crimea. Are we that stupid to think Putin would just walk away from Crimea? Then all we are left with from our brilliant “one move” strategy is to do the big indignant act. So the score is now: Obama zero Putin two.
Ya Dennis explain this
Putin’s invasion. Within scarcely a week after deposing the crook. Well orchestrated effort.Invaders fully briefed wearing camoflaged unmarked uniforms units .Russian government media has opponents portrayed as Nazis miss interpreting gold armbands with a cyrillic letter S (svoboda) (freedom) claiming the english viewers they are swastikas.Camp followers here defending Putin actions. Heavy armored unit suddenly assembled and off loaded by ferry . Totally preplanned.
Move comes as a surprize ? (sarc)
I agree too. Yanukovich was democratically elected, and his police faced daily incineration from Molotov cocktails and incitement from armed neo-Nazi protesters.
I do too. I have no doubt that the CIA is fomenting this crap throughout the world. The problem is that the CIA is great at stirring stuff up, but incompetent in dealing with the aftermath.
It's also incompetent in picking its targets.
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