Bush faces down Putin at Beijing Olympics over Georgia
Posted on 03/01/2014 10:38:19 PM PST by Jeff Head
Here's how you stop and deter Putin. it is how George Bush got the job done in 2008 in Georgia.
Bush started out by talking to him face to face in Beijing and letting him know, man to man, that it was not going to go as Putin imagined.
We had military advisors already on the ground there. Bush immediately expedited the return of 2,000 members of Georgia's 31st Light Infantry Battalion who had been fighting beside US Marines in Afghanistan.
He then sent in more US personnel and material on C-130s and C-17s...direct to Tiblisi and immediately (which is what we should be doing right now to Kiev). When those US C-17s and C-130s went in, they had a lot of US personnel on them in addition to the supplies and material...and that was in addition to the military personnel we already had there.
Bush did not pull those out...he added more to it and made it clear to Putin that a push into and through Tiblisi was going to put the US Military in the line of fire and that Putin DID NOT WANT TO DO THAT.
In addition, in short order, three US warships and three NATO warships entered the Black Sea. Some brought supplies, others stood by and defended them. The three NATO warships and one of the US warships were top of the line surface combatants with two AEGIS vessels and two other guided-missile vessels.
Putin knew that Bush meant what he said. He had seen it already time and again over the seven years prior. He consiodered the cost of rolling over those US personnel and what the consequences would be, and he knew there would be very severe consequences with a heavy interest payment.
The following are all pictures from the events of the day, during the Georgian crisis, of us material, more advisors, equipment flowing in. Of US advisors already on the ground and training Georgian forces immediately prior to and during the crisis, and US and NATO warships all sent into the Black Sea during the crisis.
Bush drew a stark line in the sand...and he did it with the US military even as the Russian forces were nearing the capitol...and Putin paused, and then stopped, and negotiated.
Now THAT'S how you deter a man like Putin. Stop talking and start acting.
Putin understood Bush, Cheney, and Donald Rumsfeld were NOT people to take lightly...
I doubt Putin feels the same about Obama, Biden, and Chuck Hagel...
Our military's great - they could do the job with the right team on top. But the right team's NOT on top. Our military also could have saved the men at Benghazi...
Jeff - remember Kerry - and how he acted during the Vietnam war? Kerry and Jane Fonda were two peas in a pod. Kerry today would have major say over 'war' strategy - and he's a friggin' pretty boy elite. His big threat to Putin this morning (on Sunday morning news shows) was that Putin wouldn't be invited to the A-List parties anymore if he didn't stop. Kerry hurt Putin alright. Putin fell to the floor and laughed so hard he couldn't catch his breath.
God help em.... Obama won’t.
Stay safe Jeff !
>> I don’t see the link of him smacking the guy around and don’t know the full background story to comment.
Here is your link:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9zXfg1NFMrU
>>It’s Rivne, not Vilno. Vilno / Vilnius is in Lithuania, different country, but that ok, you’ll get it right next time.
Thanks for a correction. But what difference does it really make?
>>What he’s asking from the council in this video is to criminalize the Communist Party and the party of Regions, demand for Communist/Regions to buy apartments for the families of three people who got killed on Maidan. If that’s the most “damning” request, then I’d say they got off light. Communist/Region government just killed 80 people, and retribution could have been much much worse, they could have made piñatas out of them. The only deaths of Communists/Regioners I recall took place in Kyiv on Feb 18 or 19 when protesters torched their office.
`Asking` by toting a gun at lawmakers? I guess it is how you `unanimously` impeached your president there:)
>>The only deaths of Communists/Regioners I recall took place in Kyiv on Feb 18 or 19 when protesters torched their office. Since then, mostly, it’s been public shaming. Occasionally, physical assaults and arson of party offices - charges which were committed by both sides. Klitchko’s Udar party got firebombed just couple of days ago in eastern Ukraine.
Nice, I guess it is a kind of democracy which really worth to fight for.
>>I don’t see the link of him smacking the guy around and don’t know the full background story to comment. Same with “anti-Polish, anti-Jew and anti-Polish Jew” charges, if he said or not. Publicly , the leader of the Right Sector, Yarosh, denounced antisemitism
Look better for it. Of course it is about time to denounce his antisemitism as far as he is an official politician now.
GOPJ, I do not say these things because I believe Obama will ever do any thing like this. Thogh if he did, and meant it...we have plenty of military still to make it stick.
But the hard truth is that Obama himself is an enemy to this nation and desires this nation to humbled and laid low.
But that does not mean we stop talking abut what is right...and what we should do. Obama and his decrepit ilk will not always be there.
Roger that, my friend.
You stay safe down there around Armadillo. I’ll call you up tis this Fall as we pass through. We can maybe meet up at the same waterin’ hole.
Bravo Zulu.
Thanks for the ping and shout out on twitter, kristinn!
God’s speed!
Payback is a bi**h, no point in justifying it. It’s not pretty
Which ones? The mob deposed a duly-elected President. He was supported by 90% of the Crimea and 90% of Eastern Ukraine, which are both majority Russian. I support splitting up the nation.
same story in the southwest US
A large number of citizens protested his unilateral actions and his amassing or power. Those protests turned ugly and the security forces began killing the protestors.
But you know what, those protestors did not turn back. Watch this intense video of protesting citizens being gunned down...but others coming right up to take their place ad continue to advance. It is long, but worth watching. That was a group of dedicated citizens who knew the true value of liberty and their rights.
Would that our own people saw things so clearly.
When it was clear that the protestors were not going to stop and would reach the Government buildings including the Presidential buildings...the President fled. Then, as I said, the Parliament of Ukraine, strictly according to their constitution, impeached him and removed him from power.
If you are going to try and stand on the legality of his election, then you cannot have it both ways. he was also legally and constitutionally impeached.
Looking forward to it.... Freepmail to ya has new phone number....
Stay safe...
Being duly elected goes out the window the moment there are kidnappings, tortures and dictatorial laws. Causing 80 dead - that’s even more special, that puts him in the Mugabe/African despot legitimacy category.
He’s not that popular in E. Ukraine or Crimea, for example after he fled Kiev, there were no scenes of outrage and support for him in the East. He’s corrupt and they tolerated him because he’s one of theirs, it goes no further than that. The fact that he fled to Russia, not his support base, is also telling.
Up till now, one of the few things that Ukrainians have agreed on, it is to stay as one country. This could change in light of the recent crisis, I don’t know, but the point is, it should be Ukrainians who decide if they should split up, not the outsiders.
I don't trust the "protesters", especially the Nazi Svoboda party. Neither side has clean hands, so why would we want to put ourselves in the middle of it?
http://euromaidanpr.wordpress.com/2014/03/02/appeal-of-ukrainian-churches-and-religious-organizations-regarding-foreign-aggression/
Appeal of Ukrainian churches and religious organizations regarding foreign aggression
Posted on March 2, 2014 by chornajuravka
Cremia_1_irs.in.ua.jpg March 1, 2014 11:30 p.m.
Dear brothers and sisters!
At this difficult time, when the military units of the Russian Federation, by breaching international and bilateral agreements, have invaded the sovereign territory of Ukraine, and the Council of the Federation as advised by the Russian President has given its consent to the use of the Russian troops in Ukraine, first and foremost we are urging all of you and all people of goodwill to unite with us in a prayer for Ukraine and the Ukrainian people.
We appeal to the Russian authorities to come to their senses and stop the aggression against Ukraine, immediately withdrawing its troops from Ukrainian land. The Russian authorities shall bear full responsibility before God and humanity for the irreparable consequences of further escalation of violence.
In our country there is no harassment based on language, nation, or religion. Therefore, we attest, all attempts made by Russian propaganda to represent the events in Ukraine as a “fascist coup” and “extremists’ victory” do not correspond to reality.
Dear brothers and sisters in Russia!
Ukrainian people have only friendly and brotherly feelings towards the Russian people. Do not believe the propaganda, which incites hatred between us. We want to continue building friendly and brotherly relations with Russia, but only as a sovereign and independent state.
We appeal to the international community, the guarantor countries of Ukraine’s security – the United States of America, the United Kingdom, the European Union, the UN and the OSCE – to stop the foreign invasion of Ukraine and the heavy-handed intervention in our internal affairs! Undermining peace and stability in Ukraine threatens to destroy the entire modern system of global security. Therefore, all possible measures must be taken in order to prevent war in Ukraine.
Brothers and sisters!
Churches and religious organizations in Ukraine are with the people of Ukraine. We strongly believe that God is not in force, but in truth. The truth is on the side of the Ukrainian people, and we shall win.
May God keep you safe!
The appeal has been signed by:
◾ Patriarch Filaret (Denysenko), Primate of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Kyiv Patriarchate;
◾ Supreme Archbishop Sviatoslav (Shevchuk), Father and Head of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church;
◾ Mykhailo Panochko, Senior Bishop of the Church of Evangelical Christians in Ukraine;
◾ Vyacheslav Nesteruk, Chairman of the All-Ukrainian Union of Associations of Evangelical Christians Baptists;
◾ Viktor Alekseyenko, President of the Ukrainian Union Conference of Seventh-day Adventist Church;
◾ Vyacheslav Horpynchuk, Bishop of the Ukrainian Lutheran Church;
◾ Leonid Padun, Senior Bishop of the Ukrainian Christian Evangelical Church;
◾ Yaakov Dov Bleich, Chief Rabbi of Kyiv and Ukraine of the Union of Jewish Religious Organizations of Ukraine.
Translated by Katherina Smirnova, edited by Robin Rohrback Source
Bush...Obama. both idiots wrong. Wrong on Georgia...wrong on Ukraine. Putin right on all fronts. Period.
You’ve got a good heart Jeff... and you’re right on this... Thanks for commenting.
I hadn’t heard that. Very interesting. What a mess.
Just found this piece of info. Sounds legit but I don’t vouch for it.
“According to Montreux Convention Regarding the Regime of the Straits, Turkey has control over the Bosporus Straits and the Dardanelles and regulates the transit of naval warships.
“Under the convention, non-Black Sea state warships, such as US naval vessels, must be under 15,000 tons to transit into or out of the Black Sea. No more than nine non-Black Sea state warships, with a total aggregate tonnage of no more than 30,000 tons, may pass through the straits or be in the Black Sea at any one time, In addition, non-Balck sea warships are permitted to stay in the Black Sea for no longer than 21 days.”
Your comment is the only one I have read that goes with my thinking. I can’t believe in spending time and possibly spilling more USA blood and resources to help the European financiers such as the likes of the Rothschilds and Soros to become more powerful. At the same time the USA should be making sure that no nation on this earth including Russia and China can intimidate the USA from showing the world what the USA was meant to be from It’s founding days. I tend to believe we as a Nation have over the last several years lost our God given destiny and instead fallen prey to all the bitter entanglements of recent year’s world political machinations. I don’t consider myself a softy as I was a WWII soldier being outfitted for the invasion of Japan a few months after my only sibling brother was killed on Okinawa. I know the feeling of revenge and the feeling of keeping my nose out of other peoples conflicts.
Well, Bush stopped Putin in Georgia, and at least, despite its losing the two provinces, it is stall a free and independent country.
And that rankles Vladimir Putin. That alone should tell any person, who truly loves liberty and the right of people to self determination under a constitutional republic based on fundamental moral values...as I say, that should tell such a person all they you need to know about the man.
But you are clearly in the tank with Vladimir, who is a former KGB agent, steeped in communist ideology, who, by his own admission, pines for a return to the USSR. If that’s what you want...good luck with it.
But Obama will not be President forever, and his ilk will be out of power. One day (hopefully soon) America will have another strong, conservative and American-based leadership again. At that point, as Reagan had to clean up after the Carter years, things will be set aright.
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