Posted on 02/26/2014 7:37:09 PM PST by Nachum
Thank you sir.
I am still here. I’m not going anywhere…. well, I’ll be gone for a short time while ministering in the slums of India, but I’ll be back.
I’ve seen what the third world is like. I lived it. We do not want to go there, trust me. Most have no idea what kind of misery, suffering and persecution most of the world exists in- yet I see the same kind of institutionalized machinations that lead to such a society being erected here.
Voting is not going to stop the ruling caste from imposing it’s will. Tyrants are not moved by the will of the people they seek to subjugate.
And subjugation is exactly what is going on here. A caste system is being erected - and trust me, it’s far more insidious than you can imagine.
I can get dark and apocalyptic too at times... hard not to, some days. Yeah, sometimes it looks impossible. But it's not. Nothing is impossible to a willing mind and a determined heart. History swings like a pendulum, and little events move that weight, sometimes imperceptibly, sometimes earth-shakingly (like Ukraine). But it DOES move.
This is a battle in a long war. And the war for your freedom and liberty ONLY stops the day you die.
All we can do while we're here is make sure we have each others' backs... like Americans have always done.
When I find myself somewhat at odds with another poster - who's sincerity I have no question about, I often find it beneficial to remember Patrick Henry's quote:
"...No man thinks more highly than I do of the patriotism, as well as abilities, of the very worthy gentlemen who have just addressed the House. But different men often see the same subject in different lights; and, therefore, I hope it will not be thought disrespectful to those gentlemen if, entertaining as I do, opinions of a character very opposite to theirs, I shall speak forth my sentiments freely, and without reserve. ..
.. The question before the House is one of awful moment to this country. For my own part, I consider it as nothing less than a question of freedom or slavery; and in proportion to the magnitude of the subject ought to be the freedom of the debate. It is only in this way that we can hope to arrive at truth, and fulfill the great responsibility which we hold to God and our country. Should I keep back my opinions at such a time, through fear of giving offense, I should consider myself as guilty of treason towards my country, and of an act of disloyalty toward the majesty of heaven, which I revere above all earthly kings."
From his Saint John's Church speech, 3-23-1775
I re-read this speech - a lot. I keep a .txt file of it on my desktop. To me, it is THE most powerful, concise, and clear understanding of reality I have ever read. I see huge parallels between what those men faced at that "awful moment" and what we face right now. And all of the debates, arguments, soul-searching, pros and cons that WE go through out here, those gentlemen went through back then as well.
His eloquence is truly amazing.
For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and to provide for it.
That, right there, is one of the single most awesome statements I have ever read. And it is also what separates US from the other side and their illusions of Utopian grandeur.
I rank this impassioned speech right up there with the Declaration of Independence as one of the greatest documents ever written.
THIS is an American... we come from what HE and others like him set in motion facing down THE jackboot of the day - and then prevailed over.
And that, to me, is a constant source of inspiration.
One Team, One Fight friend.
Yep...we're going to force them to leave. The only question is how, so I'm working and praying that we can do it at the polls, and not have to fall back on the 2nd Amendment. We'll see.
Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!
That's okay...I'm a (former) soldier. An outhouse is luxury!
Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!
That is contrary to what you have said. You stated I was a 'cancer' and it was your 'duty' to point out to others what a 'vile, disgusting' person I was. Your words.
So are you lying now, or were you lying then?
While I've been critical of you, I've tried to steer clear of name calling
Oh really??
"You're a pathetic, demoralizing molecule of the cancer that infects us, Invar…."You're a disease --- an impairment of the spirit that putrefies the body and soul. Away with you, and any that have succumbed to your degrading, deathly influence."
Your words again.
It's pernicious and destructive to the degree that it never admits any ray of sunshine, or a single molecule of optimism
You are exactly what was prophesied of a people who are on the verge of destruction - a people who only want to hear sunshine and unicorns and not the hard truth that they reject:
That this is a rebellious people, Lying children, Children who will not hear the law of the Lord; Who say to the watchmen, “Do not see,” And to the prophets, “Do not prophesy to us right things; Speak to us smooth things, prophesy deceits. Get out of the way, Turn aside from the path, Cause the Holy One of Israel To cease from before us.”
Therefore thus says the Holy One of Israel: “Because you despise this word, And trust in oppression and perversity, And rely on them, Therefore this iniquity shall be to you Like a breach ready to fall, A bulge in a high wall, Whose breaking comes suddenly, in an instant. - Isaiah 30:10-14
How's that for doom for you? Pay attention, because that applies to US.
- even though we have every reason to trust that we will overcome the wickedness and evil that has infected our government.
What about the culture? We're IN THIS MESS because a corrupted and immoral culture has selected corrupted and immoral leaders.
I also STRONGLY WARN AGAINST trusting to our own strength, or trusting in politics to save us from that which is a consequence of our allowance of wickedness in society.
You think you're doing your fellow Freepers a favor by telling them how bad it all is,
Wrong, I'm telling them how much worse it is going to get if this wickedness is not arrested and reversed. And that is not going to happen until this people repent, seek God first and be mantled in a righteous cause where God will grant the victory.
Only a moral and religious people are capable of liberty. Only a moral and religious people fighting for the right cause can overcome sinful tyranny.
It only demoralizes them and weakens what resolve they have to stand up to their oppressors.
That's crap. What is far worse is deceiving a people to think they are invincible, that no harm or foul will visit them and that their intentions and well-wishes are all it takes to be saved out of the fires of trial. The faith of a people is more easily destroyed when they have been led to believe in a false prosperity gospel and the hard truth of reality knocks on their door.
The reality is, what is coming for this nation is far worse than most of you will even allow yourselves to contemplate. The urgency to arrest this situation is something relegated to salvation via the elections in November. I fully believe that the Churchill doctrine applies here. The longer we wait to turn to God and then gird ourselves up for resistance, the greater the cost is going to be for us all.
If you really want to be of service to this community, offer some solutions.
I already did. You ignored them.
My only issue with him is that he now posts from a dark, apocalyptic perspective, that admits no possibility of victory for our side.
You are not paying attention. Victory is only possible if this people do as II Chronicles 7:14 clearly states, and then be willing to endure the long struggle ahead no matter the cost.
And it is going to cost us. God never removes the consequences of sin on a society - He will forgive the sins upon repentance, but what we sow we reap. And we have a bitter harvest to eat before we will be able to enjoy what we once had handed to us on a platter.
I think is a message you don't want to hear. Too bad. It's the hard truth. That is what it is going to take. Knowing this in advance is the ONLY way our resolve will not falter when losses are taken in the struggle ahead.
We are all infected with instant-gratification-itus. Most of our generations have never known hardship or endurance as our grandparents had.
Pledge to fight with us.
I am already fighting for you, at the moment, on one battlefield that will actually make a difference.
That, right there, is one of the single most awesome statements I have ever read. And it is also what separates US from the other side and their illusions of Utopian grandeur.
THANK YOU for posting what I wholeheartedly concur with. We must be willing to know the whole truth, and to know the WORST and provide for it.
What I run into - is people are offended when THE WORST is stated as a warning of what will happen if it is not arrested and I am castigated as nothing but a purveyor of doom.
We should also beware of making our patriotism into an idol, because doing so can blind us. God comes first. Then family and country.
Thanks, I just copied Patrick Henry’s speech.
You're right. I did say those things in a moment of heat and passion. There's no denying that it was personal, and for that, I apologize. I'll refrain from uttering such in the future.
That aside, my sole intent here is an objection to the demoralizing tone of your usual output. I have no intent to make less of you as a person.
When you and I first started locking horns, I tried to convince you that the future isn't as dark as what you're forecasting. I tried to convince you that our people still have the motivating spirit of resistance to tyranny in their hearts, and that we indeed have a breaking point that, if breached, will start a prairie fire that no one can extinguish.
That's still true, but I don't see that you believe it. From what I've seen of your posts over the last year, you've given up all hope in your fellow Americans, and are convinced that we'll be mowed down by fedzilla whenever they choose to exterminate us.
I find that sad and unnecessary, given the real facts and true nature of our situation. Perhaps in time you'll see enough positive evidence to convince you otherwise.
In the meantime, I'm sheathing my sword but not my tongue. I reserve the right to disagree with you, but I'll take care to keep it impersonal.
Truce.
You made an astute observation however.
I tried to convince you that the future isn't as dark as what you're forecasting. I tried to convince you that our people still have the motivating spirit of resistance to tyranny in their hearts, and that we indeed have a breaking point that, if breached, will start a prairie fire that no one can extinguish. That's still true, but I don't see that you believe it.
You are correct. I do not believe It. I do not believe the majority of this people are willing to resist tyranny. Many do not even recognize what we are suffering as tyranny. They see it as good, or just politics.
I say that in sadness, but the facts and fruits of the last couple decades make it undeniable.
Where was the wholesale stand against removing God's Laws from being displayed? The stand against the free exercise of Christian religion? The stand against a bastardization used as a pry bar to separate religion from the culture? The stand against empowering the state to force businesses and eventually churches to violate their religious beliefs?
If a Christian people would not stand against those things, I am not convinced that the same people will stand against tyranny. Quite the opposite. If a people accept wickedness and then join the wicked to denounce righteousness because they do not want to be seen as 'intolerant' - said people will accept tyranny and denounce those who stand against it as well.
That is human nature and historical fact.
Why get angry when this is the plain truth of human nature and history? Is it wrong to warn that this is the path we are on?
I find absolutely no value in whitewashing our national condition, nor advocating that our faith should be in people to give us victory over tyrants rather than in God.
My approach to wake up an asleep and lukewarm people is to lay out where all of this goes and what the enemy intends for us. Maybe if they know what is going to happen to them and their children, it will motivate them to do what needs to be done.
Sadly, most are waiting on others to do it for them and are content to simply give them a vote and a blessing.
Given what has already transpired, I find myself in a state of shock that no one recognizes where we have arrived, or what was just done to them.
Had Bush said he was going to act on his own without Congress, millions upon millions would have been bussed to Washington demanding his head - and I daresay more than just pitchforks would have accompanied them.
I think God has given this nation over to strong delusion - to believe the lies being told. (II Thessalonians 2:10-11). There are already myriad and multitude of those who appeal to the power of positive thinking - most of that resulting in people refusing to believe what is happening to them or comprehending the urgency and deadly danger they will soon be faced with.
He’s definitely worth reading and pondering.
Can’t help but feel a kinship with the guy and those with him way back then.
And they were men of Means. They COULD have bolted, did the Two-Step Boogie to some far-off land, back in a time when it WAS possible to disappear.
But they didn’t.
And neither did Capt. John Parker and 77 other Minutemen at Lexington on an April morning in 1775.
That alone is inspiring enough for me.
Another one that I love:
“..
Then out spoke brave Horatius, the Captain of the Gate:
“To every man upon this earth, death cometh soon or late;
And how can man die better than facing fearful odds,
For the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods,
...
When the goodman mends his armour, and trims his helmet’s plume,
And the goodwife’s shuttle merrily goes flashing through the loom;
With weeping and with laughter still is the story told,
How well Horatius kept the bridge in the brave days of old.”
Horatius at the Bridge
http://ancienthistory.about.com/library/bl/bl_horatiuspoem.htm
Australia. We even have a health system that works, and our minimum wage is to die for, compulsory superannuation; and if I win a million dollars the government doesn't steal half of it. Our unemployment benefits don't run out before we find another job either...
“...Australia. We even have a health system that works...”
Can you carry a gun, either on your hip, or slung on your back?
What is the situation on a citizen’s RKBA in Australia these days? I have had more than a few Aussies I called friends, (Great people!!), in years past and heard some real horror stories from ‘em on how their Gov. treated them regarding firearms.....
Don’t need to. There’s no one needs shooting. It’s a totally different culture with a totally different history and a totally different form of government. Our crime rate and gunsdeaths numbers would make you wish you had the same as the majority of our gun deaths are suicide and law enforcement related. You need to check the numbers before you jump in with something like that which doesn’t feature in our society. You are being manipulated. No one in Australia is complaining about our gun laws. We can own any number if we have a permit and safe storeage.
Btw, with your attitude, maybe you should just stay where you are.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
Garbage. Look at the stats I posted in the next comment. You’re forgetting we have a totally different mix of demographics.
“...Btw, with your attitude, maybe you should just stay where you are....”
Wow...Touchy, aren’t we, mate? Asked you a simple question - and CORDIALLY at that - and you go all...foreigner.... on me.
“...We can own any number if we have a permit and safe storage...”
Wasn’t my question. My question was “Can you carry...”
“Don’t NEED to”, you say.
But that’s not really the point, is it?
And if I have to EXPLAIN it to you, well...like ya said - with YOUR attitude, maybe YOU should just stay where YOU are...
Because even if you NEEDED to, you still aren’t ABLE to; and you seem to have NO problem with that.
You point to crime as if that’s the only reason... Switzerland has a lower crime rate than ANYWHERE on the planet, and the citizens there are armed to the TEETH, and proud of it. Because to them - as it to us - it’s a point of national pride as a Citizen.
“...You are being manipulated...” you say.
Seems to me with that previous “Don’t need to” comment...you’ve already BEEN manipulated - and apparently fell for it whole-hog.
But hey. No problem.
Your National pride is fine. I respect that, truly. Because I have an immense amount of National Pride myself in my Country - a country which, in it’s short 238 year existence - has given more and done more to liberate, rescue, and rebuild other countries than ANY other country in history.
And despite the fact that this current dysfunctional lunatic bin and their political party we currently - and temporarily - have botching things up, my rights are respected and upheld across 44 states out of the 50 in the Union.
So.. have a great day.
And also - By the way - before you think I’m “anti-Australia” or anything ridiculous, you should know that for my job, I’ve done work for the Royal Australian Navy and met quite a number of civilian and naval personnel, and got along quite well with them.
And I was impressed with their alcohol consumption capabilities... it was ALMOST up to American standards.
If you had reason to be so proud, you wouldn’t need to be so on the defensive. I was simply reacting to your question, could we carry a gun. As IF that was the most important aspect. Your gun deaths are TEN times what ours are, and that’s what you need to keep in mind when you throw your superiority at me.
Aussies punched well above their weight in two world wars.
My reply to you essentially was we don’t NEED to carry a gun, so we DON’T carry a gun, if that’s not too simple for you.
The thought of a civilian parading down the street with a weapon as if it was a fashion accessory is repugnant, and need I add, totally UNNECESSARY.
That relates to Australia, what you do is your business, and from what I’ve read, I think one of the first things I would do if I was to contemplate spending any time in your country, is learn to shoot and buy a gun for my own protection.
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