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Oldest fortified settlement ever found in North America? Location of Fort Caroline may be in Georgia
Science Daily ^
| February 22, 2014
| Florida State University
Posted on 02/22/2014 3:38:46 AM PST by Makana
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I live in Plymouth, MA, USA which is planning for its 400th anniversary.
This could be trouble.
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posted on
02/22/2014 3:38:47 AM PST
by
Makana
To: SunkenCiv; blam
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posted on
02/22/2014 3:41:00 AM PST
by
Darksheare
(Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
To: Makana
Cool post, I hope the archaeology freepers show up to flesh this out.
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posted on
02/22/2014 3:49:44 AM PST
by
ansel12
(Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
To: Makana
Looks like it....they found some sort of structure from a collection of different maps and references of the era. They have not, as yet, excavated it.
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posted on
02/22/2014 3:50:46 AM PST
by
Gaffer
(Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
To: Makana
...Fort Caroline, a long-sought fort built by the French in 1564. In 1565, Spanish soldiers under Pedro Menéndez marched into Fort Caroline and slaughtered some 143 men and women who were living there at the time.
Some fort, eh?
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posted on
02/22/2014 3:51:57 AM PST
by
metesky
(Brethren, leave us go amongst them! - Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond, The Searchers)
To: Makana
I am not sure why. This discovery wont change the date of the settlement at Plymouth and it wont change the fact that it wasnt the first in North America.
To: Gaffer
... then there’s still time to pave over it and put a gas station at that site???
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posted on
02/22/2014 3:53:13 AM PST
by
Ken522
To: Makana
This puzzled me, but now I get it.
“”In 1565, Spanish soldiers under Pedro Menéndez marched into Fort Caroline and slaughtered some 143 men and women who were living there at the time.””
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posted on
02/22/2014 3:58:48 AM PST
by
ansel12
(Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
To: Ken522
Maybe....but I’d make it a Home Depot...that way there’d be a place for the illegals to hang out and stump for day labor jobs....better for the economy...
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posted on
02/22/2014 3:58:58 AM PST
by
Gaffer
(Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
To: Makana
Come now everyone by now knows that Leif Erickson founded Minnesota long before Columbus, the Pilgrims and the French. Ft. Caroline will not change the facts about Plymouth.
Plymouth Bay is the only surviving colony settlement. Were they wanting to settle further south. What ever happened to the other colony settlement they were heading to. There was another settlement too Jamestown, which would have preceded Plymouth, but it did not survive.
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posted on
02/22/2014 4:04:23 AM PST
by
hondact200
(Candor dat viribos alas (sincerity gives wings to strength) and Nil desperandum (never despair))
To: hondact200
visited Jamestown a few years ago. fascinating. i’m guessing the difference was mosquitos as thats what took them out. being north of here had an advantage
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posted on
02/22/2014 4:25:39 AM PST
by
CrouchingTiger620
(is it possible to 45th worse out of 44)
To: Makana
While studying in the Paris archives, Crowe found a 1685 map of "French Florida" that was accurately surveyed. "This map serves as a 'Rosetta Stone' since it provides a common, known geographical point on all early maps of 'French Florida,'" he said. The Rosetta Stone was an inscribed rock found by the French in Egypt that allowed the translation of ancient hieroglyphics into modern languages.
Using the known GPS coordinates derived from the English map, Crowe was able to propose the location of dozens of Indian villages that up until now have eluded scholars and archaeologists.
Wait.... our schools have now gotten so bad that the author actually needed to explain what the Rosetta Stone is?
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posted on
02/22/2014 4:27:39 AM PST
by
Sooth2222
("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
To: MD Expat in PA
I was being sarcastic! Nothing will stop these people from organizing a parade.
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posted on
02/22/2014 4:30:24 AM PST
by
Makana
(Self-esteem is the new intelligence. - Greenfield)
To: Makana
Fort located near the mouth of the Altamaha River?
Satellite imagery shows a unrealistic place to build a fort.
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posted on
02/22/2014 4:34:25 AM PST
by
Java4Jay
(The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
To: Makana
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posted on
02/22/2014 4:51:37 AM PST
by
SWAMPSNIPER
(The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
To: metesky
http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/spanishmassacre.htm
This is another encounter South of St.Augustine.
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posted on
02/22/2014 4:55:23 AM PST
by
SWAMPSNIPER
(The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
To: Makana
The Altamaha comes through the 2nd "O" in the word Tolomato at about the center of this map:
The "mouth" of the Altamaha is close to what is now Darien, Georgia.
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posted on
02/22/2014 4:56:48 AM PST
by
Repeal The 17th
(We have met the enemy and he is us.)
To: SWAMPSNIPER
If they slaughtered 150 young men and women who created and owned the place, then it must have been for a good reason.
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posted on
02/22/2014 5:06:10 AM PST
by
ansel12
(Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
To: MD Expat in PA
Key to this story vs your comments, “first fortified” as in number one........none before it.
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posted on
02/22/2014 5:14:05 AM PST
by
stockpirate
(It appears good men have decided to do nothing, so evil is prevailing......)
To: hondact200
There was another settlement too Jamestown, which would have preceded Plymouth, but it did not survive. Jamestown was established in 1607 what was then the Virginia colony and it most assuredly did survive, if only barely. It remained the capital of the Virginia colony until 1699, when the capital moved a bit up the river to Williamsburg.
Jamestown thus predates Plymouth by some 13 years as the oldest permanent English-speaking colony in North America.
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posted on
02/22/2014 5:29:36 AM PST
by
DSH
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