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Vanity: NRO Changes Posting Policy to Hide Negative Reactions to Establishment Columnists & Posters
Disqus ^ | February 21, 2014 | Sideshow Bob

Posted on 02/21/2014 9:08:20 PM PST by Sideshow Bob

Well, the elitist establishment (dare I say RINO) editors over at National Review and National Review Online (NRO) have sunk to another new low in their continued attacks on conservatives. It's been bad enough that the NRO stable of writers have been cranking out multiple hit pieces (including 3 in a row from the normally lucid Dr. Thomas Sowell) attacking Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) and the House/Senate Tea Party caucus, but NRO is now moving towards silencing conservative criticism of NRO's writers, columns and seminar RINO and libertarian posters.

Don't get me wrong, I like posting and/or commenting on NRO articles here at FreeRepublic. In the past, it was because the NRO article had something new, interesting or important I wanted to share or discuss with other FReepers.

A few years ago NRO added a clunky commenting function to their website and offered a feature that FR didn't have - a like/dislike button (actually, positive/negative). The button allowed NRO readers to express their displeasure at the posting of another commenter. After a while, NRO changed their posting policy to require registration to post a comment or use the negative button.

OK, I wasn't thrilled with losing some of my web "anonymity", but figured NRO - as a conservative website -wouldn't abuse my privacy too badly. Besides, I still liked being able to use that speedy negative button to "shout down" the pinhead RINO's who sometimes trolled over at NRO.

Many people say that National Review has been in decline away from conservatism ever since founder William F. Buckley died. I am inclined to agree. To be sure, the NR/NRO staff is becoming increasingly filled with young elitist East Coast writers from elitist East Coast universities. They might still be Republicans - and Olympia Snowe Republicans at that - or even Libertarians, but their content and editorial slant are increasingly out of step with the conservative grassroots and Tea Partiers. And it's getting really obvious and obnoxious.

First it was NRO's easy acceptance of Juan McCain as the 2008 GOP nominee, then it was their shameless politicking for a Romney candidacy, their quick embrace of Chris Krispy Creme and finally their bizarre condemnation of Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Tea Partiers and the government shutdown strategy.

With the clean debt ceiling bill recently passed by Congress you would think that NRO and the GOP Establishment writers would be happy with Ted Cruz and the House/Senate Tea Party Caucus. After all, Ted followed their advice and didn't shut down the federal government again to thwart Obama's continuing attempt to bankrupt the country.

Nope. Now the Establishment is ticked off that Ted & the TPers completely outmanuevered GOPe leadership, turned the tables on Boehner & McConnell and outed them as Obama surrender monkeys. It's taken a few days, but NRO has stepped into the breach and has launched a major offensive against Cruz and the conservative base. Each day for the past week NRO, their writers, their columnists and their editors have escalated their attacks. They want to embarrass Cruz and sway the conservative base back to the "reasonable" leadership of Boehner & McConnell.

The editors started by writing debt ceiling editorials that - just as in the government shutdown last fall - agreed with Cruz & TPers in the House on their conservative position, but criticized their tactics. NRO writers next move to writing puff pieces extolling Boehner's & McConnell's bravery in taking an adult position in passing a clean debt ceiling bill.

To NRO's shock and disbelief, their conservative readers are mixed in between seething anger and sneering, scoffing laughter at the positions and opinions of NRO, Mitch McTurtle, John Boehner, the rest of the GOPe circus and the Establishment RINO seminar posters on their website.

How can this be? Mitch & John are the GOP leaders, NR is the foremost opinion-leading conservative magazine (or so they think). They are confused why the conservative base isn't listening to them.

So the RINO Establishment media step up their game. Byron York (a former NR editor), Mona Charen, Ann Coulter and others sharpen their attacks on Cruz. As noted above, even Dr. Thomas Sowell writes 3 consecutive columns attacking Cruz. Their new storyline - Cruz is selfish and ego-driven. That's why Cruz forced poor Mitch & Assistant Senate Minority Leader John Cornyn to cloture vote in favor of raising America's insane amount of debt. Even worse, they argue, that self-serving Cruz is going to singlehandedly cause the GOP to blow their chance at regaining the Senate majority in November.

But this lie doesn't work either.

The NRO comments on these columns and editorials blow up from the normal handful of comments to HUNDREDS and HUNDREDS of comments that are FURIOUS with the NRO, the GOPe, Charen, Coulter and especially Sowell. While it can't be proven, there appears to be an increase in the number of seminar Establishment posters (perhaps NRO staffers?) attempting to combat the reaction of NRO's conservative readership. But it doesn't help. These seminar NRO posters are getting crushed in thread debates and are being hammered with the speedy negative button.

Now perhaps it's just a coincidence, but in the midst of this conservative Tea Party commenting pushback NRO changed their policy regarding the negative button without fanfare. Readers even need to follow a hidden link to learn that NRO will no longer display the running count of users of the negative button. They claim that they will still maintain a negative count internally, but just won't display that to their readers. This gives their readers a false appearance that any debate within their story threads is balanced.

The good news for Free Republic is that more FReepers will abandon NRO's commenting feature and bring their discussion and debate of NRO materials to this website. It's hard not to interpret NRO's policy change as an attempt to diminish and control Tea Party conservative pushback against GOPe messaging. It's also very sad and ironic for NRO to be moving toward silencing conservatives during the same week that NRO pontificates against FCC's plans to censor news and media.


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To: Valpal1
Are you sure that it was Disqus? Or is it just a Disqus option that NRO recently implemented?

Correct, it is a Disqus option that NRO recently implemented.

21 posted on 02/21/2014 10:15:02 PM PST by Sideshow Bob
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To: Robwin

Thanks very much for your information. I was young and didn’t read NR back then.


22 posted on 02/21/2014 10:16:28 PM PST by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: FredZarguna; Sideshow Bob

“But I do agree with you about the overall drift of the publication, which has now become quite alarming.”

Me three!


23 posted on 02/21/2014 10:25:18 PM PST by jocon307
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To: sickoflibs
RE :” It's been bad enough that the NRO stable of writers have been cranking out multiple hit pieces (including 3 in a row from the normally lucid Dr. Thomas Sowell) attacking Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) and the House/Senate Tea Party caucus,...”

When you find yourself attacking Thomas Sowell as a RINO and demanding (insinuating ) that he not be published for us to read, that is when you know you have gone wrong, real wrong.

No, I merely suggested that Dr. Sowell has lost his mind with his last 3 hit piece columns attacking Cruz. I stated factually (no insinuation) that he is among NRO's stable of Republican Establishment writers. RINO does not necessarily equal Establishment. But as an academic, Dr. Sowell might fit as an elitist.

I NEVER suggested that Dr. Sowell shouldn't be published or read. I don't want to stifle Sowell. My vanity rant was about NRO's attempt to stifle conservative blowback against the Establishment GOP.

I have not gone wrong, Sowell (and Charen and Coulter and York and NRO and the Weekly Standard) has.

24 posted on 02/21/2014 10:28:30 PM PST by Sideshow Bob
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To: Norm Lenhart

Lowry and his attitude toward conservatives back in the 2008 election is why I dropped a 25 year subscription to NR and never looked back.


25 posted on 02/21/2014 10:29:24 PM PST by SargeK
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To: All

A little off topic, but related to comments.

Does anyone here read “Commentary”?

For a long time they never had comments and then they did for a while and the comments were pretty good (hey, esp. including mine!) but now they’ve gotten rid of them.

I googled a bit and even emailed them asking when and why they had done this, but they never answered and I never could find anything.

Anybody know anything about this?

Thanks if you do!


26 posted on 02/21/2014 10:29:37 PM PST by jocon307
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To: Robwin

“National Review has NEVER been trustworthy, not even under WFB. I used to subscribe to it but noticed that during the 1968 Presidential contest NR was devoting all of its energies to criticizing George Wallace but not Humphrey.”

You’re quite right. Last night I happened to watch an old Firing Line featuring George Wallace as the guest. Buckley could not have come across as more of Northeastern Elitist if he had worked at it. Buckley even admitted that Wallace was making him sound like a liberal- which is certainly how Buckley came across.

I used to watch Firing Line but I didn’t recall this one and I was startled to see how much of a snobbish Establishment character Buckley displayed in his contemptuous dismissal of Wallace. Firing Line often featured Leftists as the guest and I’d never seen Buckley as rude to a guest as he was here. In retrospect you can see how much the GOP feared Wallace would run a populist campaign and siphon votes from Nixon; Buckley was being a good little waterboy to try to prevent it.


27 posted on 02/21/2014 10:35:01 PM PST by Pelham (If you donÂ’t deport itÂ’s amnesty by default.)
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To: Valpal1
Some insight into why they may have hidden the down arrow ratings.

No, that article you linked is 18 months old. NRO has always had different customization than what is described in that article.

NRO made the change on a Friday mid-morning. Why not at the end of a day or over a weekend or at the start of a month? In fact, NRO went back and edited the negative ratings of all previous posts for all stories from all previous dates.

28 posted on 02/21/2014 10:37:48 PM PST by Sideshow Bob
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To: Sideshow Bob

But the page you link to isn’t NRO, it’s Disqus help page explaining the change in how voting works. That appears to be a Disqus change, not a NRO change in options choices.

And when I looked at the moderation board options, it didn’t seem to offer a show/hide votes option.

So I’m not sure that NRO is the source of the change. While the Redstate post is older, it does indicate some of the troll problems that have cropped up from using Disqus.


29 posted on 02/21/2014 10:44:41 PM PST by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with violence, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: Sideshow Bob; Impy; NFHale; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj
RE :”I NEVER suggested that Dr. Sowell shouldn't be published or read. I don't want to stifle Sowell......
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No, I merely suggested that Dr. Sowell has lost his mind with his last 3 hit piece columns attacking Cruz.”

Crucifying Thomas Sowell for writing his opinion on how we should proceed against socialism is a marked sign you have gone wrong.

Disagreeing is not attacking.
‘Attacking’ in this case is a word used to do nothing more than stir emotions.

Sowell posted that we should take a different path.

Post the exact words of the so called attacks that Sowell made if you can.

30 posted on 02/21/2014 10:48:10 PM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'Any path to US citizenship for illegals HERE is a special path to it ')
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To: Sideshow Bob
I think Sowell and Charen simply underestimate Cruz's leadership potential. Cruz is doing what he must to raise his own public profile and set himself apart from a weak, unpopular Republican Party. He has to be recognizably different in order to excite the public and gain broad support for conservative positions. He's on track.

We need a leader. Do we expect John Boehner to weep us back into power?

That said, betting that Sowell is wrong about anything is risky.

31 posted on 02/21/2014 10:59:45 PM PST by TChad (The Obamacare motto: Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori.)
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To: sickoflibs
Post the exact words of the so called attacks that Sowell made if you can.

Sorry, do your own damn homework.

Here's a better idea. Why don't you post the exact words that exculpate Sowell?

But I will say that the WWII analogy Sowell used in his latest column was rather poor:
1) I don't believe Cruz is fighting a war he can't win.
2) The state of the GOPe is not like Dunkirk.
3) The GOPe has never really fought the Dems.
4) I don't believe the GOPe is waiting for a war that it can win because there has been no evidence for nearly the last 20 years that the GOPe leadership will EVER stand up and fight the Dems.

I think a more apt WWII analogy is that if conservatives do as Sowell suggests and leave the GOPe leadership alone and wait for the GOPe to lead the fight to repeal Obamacare and fight the Dem agenda, it would be like the Allies waiting for Vichy France to take the lead in defeating Hitler.

32 posted on 02/21/2014 11:04:28 PM PST by Sideshow Bob
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To: Sideshow Bob; Impy; NFHale; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj
RE :”Post the exact words of the so called attacks that Sowell made if you can.”
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Sorry, do your own damn homework.’

No, you do your homework.

You keep posting that Sowell is attacking Cruz and when I asked for an example of that , not only couldn't you come up with a single one but you demand that I prove he wasn't,that I prove a negative.

It is YOU HATERS who do the attacking

You are attacking Sowell and accusing him of doing what you are doing to him .

Its deceitful.

33 posted on 02/21/2014 11:16:07 PM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'Any path to US citizenship for illegals HERE is a special path to it ')
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To: sickoflibs
Disagreeing is not attacking.

Sorry, you might be able to sell that tripe if Sowell wrote just one column in a vacuum. Sowell wrote 3 consecutive pieces "disagreeing" with Cruz. And Sowell did so amidst a flurry of Establishment GOP columnists that all had roughly the same "Gravitas" messaging.

To me, that constitutes malice, intent and coordination.

34 posted on 02/21/2014 11:17:24 PM PST by Sideshow Bob
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To: Tzimisce

bump


35 posted on 02/21/2014 11:19:20 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Sideshow Bob; Impy; NFHale; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj
RE :” Sowell wrote 3 consecutive pieces “disagreeing” with Cruz. “

Is that a crime now in your imaginary New World Order??

to disagree?

Must we round up those like Sowell into camps for the *crime* of disagreement of the new world order?

....and like you did, to lie and call disagreement *attacks* on him ?

36 posted on 02/21/2014 11:25:14 PM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'Any path to US citizenship for illegals HERE is a special path to it ')
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To: sickoflibs
Whatever, tough guy.

I posted several hundred words on this thread and you still want more. If you don't like what I wrote, go to another thread.

If you stay, keep it civil. Call me a HATER or deceitful again and you will be answering to JimRob.

37 posted on 02/21/2014 11:26:54 PM PST by Sideshow Bob
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To: TChad

“That said, betting that Sowell is wrong about anything is risky. “

Sowell made a number of errors in his book on the housing bubble. He isn’t infallible. I suspect he relied on some researchers who didn’t serve him well.

More than that Sowell is 83 years old now. Not everyone remains as sharp as they once were when the years start piling up.


38 posted on 02/21/2014 11:34:00 PM PST by Pelham (If you donÂ’t deport itÂ’s amnesty by default.)
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To: sickoflibs
Is that a crime now in your imaginary New World Order??
to disagree?
Must we round up those like Sowell into camps for the *crime* of disagreement of the new world order?
....and like you did, to lie and call disagreement *attacks* on him ?

Project much? Please remember that this vanity post was about NRO's censorship of conservative pushback to their Establishment messaging. I don't want to restrict Sowell's freedom to express himself. I object to the GOPe using leftist media tactics to smother Tea Party dissent.

39 posted on 02/21/2014 11:36:17 PM PST by Sideshow Bob
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To: Sideshow Bob; Impy; fieldmarshaldj; originofstrength; BillyBoy; NFHale
RE :”If you stay, keep it civil. Call me a HATER or deceitful again and you will be answering to JimRob.”

I will? Really? Lets test that.

You hater..

You deceitful...

AHHHHH ...I was just joking, I didnt mean it ,....oh nose... whats happening ?.....STOP IT.... I agree with you that Sowell is the enemy....what? its too late ??? .....AHHHHHHH

SOL RIP LOL

40 posted on 02/21/2014 11:37:11 PM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'Any path to US citizenship for illegals HERE is a special path to it ')
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