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1 posted on 02/16/2014 7:01:22 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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Our president Obama also spoke out in favor of the union and against the opposition by Corker and other politicians; I guess “outside interference” is bad if its someone who is against the side of the UAW; its just dandy if its someone external who supports the UAW. Look for an IRS audit of the opposition.


2 posted on 02/16/2014 7:05:40 AM PST by laconic
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Great news for these liberal parasitic leeches are being reduced in size like a cancerous tumor succumbing to radiation therapy.

Thank Governor Walker in Wisconsin for the initial break through therapy.

However, I do not look for Obama and the NLRB to let this one go. Look for a “do-over” because of “unfair outside influence”.


3 posted on 02/16/2014 7:08:04 AM PST by Buckeye Battle Cry (Audentis Fortuna Iuvat)
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Occasionally we get some good news here and there, this is one of those good news stories to be savored.


4 posted on 02/16/2014 7:08:08 AM PST by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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Why the Tennessee Volkswagen Workers Voted Against the UAW

Because...Detroit.

6 posted on 02/16/2014 7:13:15 AM PST by Paine in the Neck (Our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor)
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Now the bosses pay unorganized Southern labor better than they pay Michigan’s unionized autoworkers,

That's because the unions sold out the new workers to protect the paychecks and pensions of the old workers. The then current union members were happy to have the newbies make a lot less rather than share in pay cuts.

It was interesting that the author mentioned company violence against workers from eighty years ago but didn't mention that just about all recent labor violence in the past half century has been by the goon-ions. Not the type of people I would want at my factory if I was a worker there.

7 posted on 02/16/2014 7:14:48 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Recycled Olympic tagline Shut up, Bob Costas. Shut up! Shut up! Shut up! Shut up! Shut up! Shut up!)
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“The other issue in the campaign was the effort of the UAW and Volkswagen to create what is called a “works council,” a committee composed of both union and nonunion employees who negotiate with management on day-to-day work issues that arise in the factory. Such councils are standard arrangements in German factories, as well as in other countries in Europe. They allow for settlement of issues in a manner that creates labor peace and promotes better conditions in the workplace, without the threat of a strike. But according to American labor law, they cannot be established unless an outside union like the UAW legally represents the workers. Because Volkswagen wanted one, they chose to support the UAW organizing effort.”

Part of this is B.S.

Yes, an OFFICIAL “Works Council” - which also has some contractural demands on the employer as to the range of the works council mandate, requires “union representation” under U.S. labor law.

HOWEVER, without the imprimature of a contracturally established works council and without a contracturally employer agreed-to mandate as to the authority of the works council, employers are free to establish the same kind of mechanism, without agreeing to how far it’s writ will be allowed to go, on a voluntary basis, and the Asian automakers have been doing it for years.

The difference is that IG Metal and UAW ONLY want such works councils on a contractural basis, where the employer and its employees are OFFICIALLY and contracturally agreeing to just how far a works council mandate goes. In other words, IG Metal and the UAW don’t want works councils that while trying to help settle shop floor issues are NOT under their control. The UAW contracts insert UAW reps,all over the production process and some are paid by the automaker but have no jobs other than their inside the production process union rep role. The UAW want any works council to ONLY exist on contracturally agreed terms where the employer is agreeing to the councils mandate.

That’s the difference, not that it cannot be done under U.S. labor law that it cannot be done how the UAW wants it done. Voluntarily and without a union mandate on it an automaker can do it as a management tool of their own.


8 posted on 02/16/2014 7:21:34 AM PST by Wuli
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- nudger - nudger

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- executive orders - executive orders


9 posted on 02/16/2014 7:24:33 AM PST by devolve (- a 3 year boy on TV news today : "Please Jesus make it warm!" -)
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The article makes it quite clear that VW Germany WANTED or at least approved the Union...

Seeing how they are paid more in TN than Detroit, maybe VW let it be known that if the workers joined the Union they would adjust salaries accordingly...

Like the ‘old days’ when the ??? were complaining that Crack Dealers got more time than ‘straight’ Coke dealers because the Crack dealer was more likely to be NON WHITE?

I figured yes, there definitely is a disparity here and it is grossly unfair, so make sure the White coke dealers mandatory sentences were raised so they would match the NON WHITE sentences.

MAYBE the Unions will organize them?
I think more than a few crack/coke dealers take the stand there is enough money being passed around and they aren’t going to ‘share’ it with outsiders.

Of course, if you argue the working conditions to YOUR supplier, they just shoot all till they find the dumbies they are looking for.

Now THAT is organization....
(Wiping hands motion).


10 posted on 02/16/2014 7:25:39 AM PST by xrmusn (6/98 --When you have them by the short hairs, the minds and hearts soon follow.)
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When it comes to wages, it turns out that at the Southern plant, a starting worker earns $19.50 an hour without a union, while his counterpart working in Michigan earns only $15.50 an hour. So wages do not compel a worker to support unionization. Amazingly I have read at least a dozen articles on this union vote and this is the FIRST time I've seen this factoid reported...

Why would a worker paid union dues and take money out of his pocket when he ALREADY makes more than the union UAW thug ?

14 posted on 02/16/2014 7:35:35 AM PST by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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A few comments:

About 20 years ago, VW opened a brand new assembly plant in Pennsylvania. 100% UAW closed shop. It suffered 6 strikes in 7 years before VW closed it.

UAW dues are about $800/year. What were the workers going to get for that? They were supposedly told that it would go into a strike fund? There ya go... I'm sure that stats are available to give us the percentage of the 1,500 workers in Tenn that are African-American. I'm guessing about 30%. Thank God we have secret ballots..despite union attempts to end it...and we'll never know the answer..but I'd wager that 90%+ of black workers there voted FOR the UAW..

15 posted on 02/16/2014 7:45:51 AM PST by ken5050 (This space available cheap...)
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The lesson to be LEARNED is that unions will NOT give up...fascists and socialists must continually be defeated.

The time for celebration is over. Now is the time for CAPITALISTS and CHRISTIANS and CONSTITUTIONALISTS to continue EDUCATING those 626 workers who voted YES as to why UNIONS SHOULD NOT BE IN THEIR WORKPLACE.

I remember a month ago everyone saying Peyton Manning was going to win the Super Bowl.

I remember in 1994 a lot of conservatives saying we had turned a corner and that the nation was going to understand why Democrats were a defeated party.

I remember in 2008 when everyone thought Republicans could NEVER get a majority in the House of Representatives....

My point is, ALL OF THOSE FOLKS WERE WRONG.

We are wrong, wrong, wrong, to gloat over this defeat for the fascists. They will just come back again, determined to take over the lives of those VW workers.

Don’t stop the attack on them. Keep teaching and reaching out to those who think unions are great. The battle is over.

The war is not.


18 posted on 02/16/2014 8:25:06 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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The main union stronghold now is the government labor forces.

We’re paying for that everyday.


20 posted on 02/16/2014 8:42:33 AM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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Does someone have a link to an article that discusses whether unions were really necessary to eliminate the excesses of the early industrial age? I get tired of the claims that without unions we wouldn't have the 8 hour day or have eliminated child labor or have safe workplaces. I think those problems were due to crony capitalism, not a free market. Also, in the late 1800s, the crony capitalists opened the floodgates to immigration, keeping American wages down. That wasn't stopped until a great Republican, Coolidge, in the 1920s, put an end to large scale immigration.

Anyway, if someone has a good link that discusses whether unions were really necessary, I would appreciate it.

22 posted on 02/16/2014 9:05:30 AM PST by Defiant (Let the Tea Party win, and we will declare peace on the American people and go home.)
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Missed in this article is another factor. In the 80s Tennessee was known to all in industries as the last stop for an American factory before moving to Mexico. Was due to cheap labor and a lower cost of living. Looks like the labor costs have gone up but still the workers know that if the plant closes, it’s not likely to reopen anywhere in this country.


23 posted on 02/16/2014 9:17:05 AM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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In fact, the UAW is a communist organization and they have bled dry their slaves in the north and other places...they are running out of other people’s money, as expected.

VW empathizes with the communist front of the Democratic Party of America. When they endorsed the UAW to provide the works council, they knew that, once enabled, that all VW employees would be contributing to the PACs that contribute solely to the Democratic Party of America, the communist front, even against those employees own political and ethical ideals. Much like ObamaCare is doing to all Americans via oppression of religious freedom. Much like the IRS is doing to all Americans via oppression of freedom of association. Much like the DOJ is doing to all Americans via immigration non-reform and voter fraud.

Is it any wonder, the UAW’s anti-American ideals promoted Obama and Eric Holder and many other communist from the outset? Is it any wonder, communists realized, early on, the power to be seized/stolen from organized labor?

America has many enemies,within and without, but the UAW, SEIU, ACORN, all grew out of the same communist corruption.

Some interesting links showing the connections between UAW and Eric Holder, Frank Marshall Davis, Valerie Jarrett, Barack Obama, etc, and the financial condition of the UAW:

Coleman Young: the Communist Who Destroyed Detroit
http://gulagbound.com/40098/coleman-young-the-communist-who-destroyed-detroit/

The UAW and “21st Century industrial relations”
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/10/09/pers-o09.html

Childs at Play
The FBI’s Cold War triumph.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/childs-play_591433.html?nopager=1

UAW Killed GM & Ford. Now They’re Going To Kill You.
https://www.belshe.com/2007/10/10/uaw-killed-gm-ford-now-theyre-going-to-kill-you/


24 posted on 02/16/2014 9:20:27 AM PST by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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Those not familiar with industrial America don't realize how bad a cancer the UAW actually is. With the the single possible exception of Ford (which has moved as much production as possible to Mexico), no company has ever survived organization by the UAW.

Why? Because the UAW doesn't just work for higher wages and better working conditions, it completely takes over the operation of the firm, decided when and how anything is produced.

I'll give the reader a personal story to illustrate this. About 8 years ago I was attending a pre-delivery run off of a large piece of industrial equipment. The techs on the manufacturer's assembly floor were spitting mad about the machine they had just delivered to the UAW at Allison Transmission. This machine replaced an older piece of equipment, but they had to reprogram it to match the much slower rate of production as the older piece. The maddening part was both machines were robotically attended. The UAW's complaint was the new robot was working too fast.

25 posted on 02/16/2014 9:32:50 AM PST by Last Dakotan
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When it comes to wages, it turns out that at the Southern plant, a starting worker earns $19.50 an hour without a union, while his counterpart working in Michigan earns only $15.50 an hour.

So if VW really wanted the union they should have cut their workers pay.

26 posted on 02/16/2014 9:43:07 AM PST by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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Ubama and his hand-selected NLRB and General Counsel Richard Griffin, Jr. will not let this stand.

Union dues laundered into their campaign coffers are the lifeblood of the Democrat party, and they will not be denied.

28 posted on 02/16/2014 10:20:18 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Moslems reserve the right to behead anyone who says otherwise.)
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———You get shorter hours, better working conditions-—

Success at last.......or many the 29 hour week is here and now


31 posted on 02/16/2014 10:53:45 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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We don’t like unions here in TN. The Nissan plant in Smyrna goes through this every five years or so and the UAW loses every time.


33 posted on 02/16/2014 11:29:20 AM PST by Fledermaus (If we here in TN can't get rid of the worthless Lamar, it's over.)
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