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1 posted on 02/09/2014 8:41:07 AM PST by Arthurio
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I would hope so as it is insanity to waste good teachers on groups intellectually unable and morally unwilling to learn.


2 posted on 02/09/2014 8:43:23 AM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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White liberals demand more ineffective teachers for your kids! It’s only fair.


4 posted on 02/09/2014 8:46:14 AM PST by Argus
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switch the teachers like the judge switched the juries in “The Untouchables” and you’ll get the same results


6 posted on 02/09/2014 8:47:40 AM PST by hecht (america 9/11, Israel 24/7)
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I suspect there is a correlation between the race of the teacher and the race of the students. I’m not sure exactly why (perhaps they tend to live in the same neighborhoods, or voters tend to elect local school officials of their own race, and these officials hire more people of their own race).

It’s very possible that the real issue is that they are hiring (and retaining) sub-par minority teachers, and just happen to be inflicting them on the minority students.


10 posted on 02/09/2014 8:50:26 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed ("Income Inequality?" Let's start with Washington DC vs. the rest of the nation!)
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The statistical difference here is trivial considering the huge error bars in this sort of analysis.
And of course there are many unexamined assumptions.
Given all this its obvious the study and press release are purely political.


11 posted on 02/09/2014 8:51:33 AM PST by buwaya
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All you have to do is transfer the piss poor teachers to the majority white schools and take the best of the breed over to the majority black schools. Problem solved.

For maybe 3-5 years, when the feral majority of the students drag the bestest of the best down to their level. Then switch again. And again and again until hell freezes over.
But for the first year or so, these cream of the crop teachers just may have some success and some of these kids might get an education. Maybe. Hopefully. Probably not.

13 posted on 02/09/2014 8:52:37 AM PST by Tupelo (I am feeling more like Philip Nolan every day)
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Granted that I support the political purpose here, that of weakening the teachers unions and removing constraints on personnel management in public schools.
Still, in spite of it being in a good cause, its dirty pool.


14 posted on 02/09/2014 8:54:38 AM PST by buwaya
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Why are the low-rated teachers in the schools at all? Oh, you say, the teachers union won’t let you fire the incompetents? OK.


15 posted on 02/09/2014 8:55:43 AM PST by EDINVA
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Newsflash . . the best teachers too want to work in safe, learned environments with students who actually give a damn


17 posted on 02/09/2014 8:57:04 AM PST by A_Former_Democrat ("Four dead in Benghazi")
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Let me see, were I teacher and thinking about where I would like to work and the choices were:

Reasonably intellectual and interested students wishing to get ahead in life who posed to physical threat to me or my family or door number 2: a group of mentally deficient sociopaths who sole reason to be present is to socialize with their hommy’s and who pose a physical threat to both me and my family. I think Monte, I will take door number one.


18 posted on 02/09/2014 8:58:42 AM PST by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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That's because white students get white teachers and black students get black teachers.

All affirmative action does is ensure more inferior teachers.

19 posted on 02/09/2014 8:59:47 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The only way women can "have it all" is if men aren't allowed to have anything.)
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More agenda driven science. Bet the data points to just the opposite of the findings.


20 posted on 02/09/2014 8:59:47 AM PST by bray (The Republic of Texas: www.braylog.com/id47.html)
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It might be just me...but is the alternative headline “Black and Latino Students Fail to Perform Up to Standards Using Same Teachers Everyone Has”?


22 posted on 02/09/2014 9:02:36 AM PST by 50sDad (A Liberal prevents me from telling you anything here.)
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I knew a woman, a very effective teacher, who was assigned to a minority school. She was doing a good job for the students assigned to her, but the female black principal had no use for white teachers in her school. The principal constantly hounded her about minutiae, such as the displays in the classroom: the capital letters had to be above the lower case, she spent 15 minutes on a topic instead of 6, etc., etc. This became an intolerable nightmare and she quit midterm.

I suspect that this same pattern is repeated in a lot of minority schools.


23 posted on 02/09/2014 9:03:15 AM PST by DeFault User
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All they would have to do is put cc cameras in all minority-dominated classrooms to get idea of what it's like to try to teach kids who are either disinterested, disruptive, violent, dull, or a combination of all those things.

Many years ago black parents demanded black teachers, principals, and administrators for their children because supposedly black kids couldn't identify with a white admin. Well, they got all those black teachers etc., and they still can't learn. But they still blame whitey for all the problems.

24 posted on 02/09/2014 9:04:39 AM PST by driftless2
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“new study by a Harvard researcher.”

Harvard, I just determined, actually has a Hip Hop Analytic Research Institute complete with a director and assistant director. The assistant director was recently quoted giving an analysis to the song “beef” which was playing during the shooting by a white guy into a car load of juveniles in Jacksonville. He categorized it as thug music and his defense is he perceived a threat by what he believed to be an unrecovered firearm in the vehicle. So, why should anyone give any credence to this "study"?

25 posted on 02/09/2014 9:04:49 AM PST by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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If ineffective teachers were evenly distributed, you’d expect that 5% of each group of students would have these low-rated instructors.

I have a question. What do they continue to employ ineffective teachers?

I know... stupid question.

26 posted on 02/09/2014 9:05:43 AM PST by Ditto
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This is what biased sensationalistic poorly designed and controlled research looks like. That said, is this small percentage difference cited by the study responsible for the fact that nearly half those living in Detroit are functionally illiterate?
http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2011/05/04/report-nearly-half-of-detroiters-cant-read/

The real issues are very much cultural and societal, and cannot be addressed until we stop looking for scapegoats. As one comparison, the literacy rate in Kenya is near 90%.


30 posted on 02/09/2014 9:13:27 AM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To a Democrat, equality means every racial group should be saddled with the same number of crappy teachers.


31 posted on 02/09/2014 9:17:19 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (Play the 'Knockout Game' with someone owning a 9mm and you get what you deserve)
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A 2.2% difference is statistically significant from a grading system that is 90% subjective and 10% BS? AND his study has not been peer-reviewed????AND a judge AND an opposing attorney permit this kind of cr@p research to make it into a court of law?


32 posted on 02/09/2014 9:18:14 AM PST by Cyman (We have to pass it to see what's in it= definition of stool sample)
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