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EPA's Wood-Burning Stove Ban Has Chilling Consequences For Many Rural People
Forbes ^ | 1-29-14 | Larry Bell,

Posted on 02/03/2014 4:33:29 PM PST by dynachrome

The impacts of EPA’s ruling will affect many families. According to the U.S. Census Bureau’s 2011 survey statistics, 2.4 million American housing units (12 percent of all homes) burned wood as their primary heating fuel, compared with 7 percent that depended upon fuel oil.

Local governments in some states have gone even further than EPA, not only banning the sale of noncompliant stoves, but even their use as fireplaces. As a result, owners face fines for infractions. Puget Sound, Washington is one such location. Montréal, Canada proposes to eliminate all fireplaces within its city limits.

Only weeks after EPA enacted its new stove rules, attorneys general of seven states sued the agency to crack down on wood-burning water heaters as well. The lawsuit was filed by Connecticut, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island and Vermont, all predominately Democrat states. Claiming that EPA’s new regulations didn’t go far enough to decrease particle pollution levels, the plaintiffs cited agency estimates that outdoor wood boilers will produce more than 20 percent of wood-burning emissions by 2017. A related suit was filed by the environmental group Earth Justice.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: agenda21; epa; greentyranny; nannystate; particulates; sueandsettle; thuggery; woodstoves
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To: dynachrome
pollution in winter time

That is correct, although not all the time in the winter, just when there is an inversion. Prior to central heating the air would be unbreathable at times and places in the winter.

61 posted on 02/03/2014 5:16:42 PM PST by palmer (don't feed the bears)
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To: dynachrome; All
The ban on wood-burning stoves is a consequence of parents not making sure that their children are being taught the federal government's constitutionally limited powers imo.

More specifically, and as mentioned in related threads, Constitution-ignorant citizens unsurprisingly don't understand that the Founding States made the Constitution's first numbered clauses, Sections 1-3 of Article I, to clarify that all federal legislative powers are vested in the elected members of Congress, not in unelected federal bureaucrats like those running the EPA.

In other words, Congress has a constitutional monopoly on federal legislative / regulatory powers whether it wants it or not. And by delegating legislative powers to nonelected bureaucrats, Congress is wrongly protecting such powers from the wrath of the voters in blatant defiance of the statutes referenced above.

So it's no surprise that when the constitutionally toothless EPA shout "Jump!," low-information citizens reluctantly reply, "How high?"

And what's even worse is that the states have never delegated to Congress, via the Constitution, the specific power to regulate the environment. So corrupt Congress is actually delegating regulatory powers to third parties that it doesn't have to begin with.

Are we having fun yet?

62 posted on 02/03/2014 5:17:17 PM PST by Amendment10
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To: dynachrome

The Little People out in the sticks can freeze to death...they don’t vote properly anyway.../sarc


63 posted on 02/03/2014 5:17:36 PM PST by Nepeta
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To: dynachrome

Ofcourse it was going to affect rural people. That was always the intention.


64 posted on 02/03/2014 5:18:57 PM PST by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: rockrr

I was just outside filling my wood fired boiler. :-)


65 posted on 02/03/2014 5:20:12 PM PST by Bobalu (Happiness is a fast ISR)
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To: palmer
"Which is more productive in your opinion, ranting "come and take it" on the internet against no actual or proposed regulation."

Why do you characterize "come and take it" as a "rant"?

I'm tired of these Federal apparatchiks throwing out restrictive regulations on the population without push back.

May your chains rest lightly upon you, FRiend.

66 posted on 02/03/2014 5:20:31 PM PST by SnuffaBolshevik
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To: palmer
Thanks for the EPA links. I found this quite interesting. What pollutes more I wonder? (nI note it does not effect current stoves in peoples homes, yet those states want to ban them , in effect)

"proposed rule would not affect existing woodstoves and other wood-burning heaters currently in use in people’s homes. The proposal also would not apply to outdoor fireplaces, pizza ovens, barbecues or chimineas, and it would not apply to new or existing heaters that are fueled solely by oil, gas or coal. In addition, the proposal would not prohibit or restrict the use of wood-burning appliances for residential heating."

67 posted on 02/03/2014 5:21:35 PM PST by dynachrome (Vertrou in God en die Mauser)
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To: SnuffaBolshevik

“Come and take it.”

Molon Stove...


68 posted on 02/03/2014 5:22:17 PM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders)
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To: dynachrome

This is another shovel of BS from FedGov. When is enough going to be enough?


69 posted on 02/03/2014 5:22:28 PM PST by AD from SpringBay (http://jonah2eight.blogspot.com/)
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To: dynachrome

Next they will come after the restaurants that flame broil their meats. The regulators make money regulating things off the backs of the people producing things.


70 posted on 02/03/2014 5:23:21 PM PST by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: palmer

heh. In denver I can’t recall too many people using their fireplaces in the summer. Almost always a winter time thing.

Dust in the summer time causes a “brown cloud” (racist!) inversion sometimes


71 posted on 02/03/2014 5:23:58 PM PST by dynachrome (Vertrou in God en die Mauser)
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To: dynachrome
And the states that are suing the EPA, per the article?

Liberal cesspools. There is much more abuse of clean air regs for global warming using particulates as an excuse, for example shutting down coal plants. All driven by the same liberals. The irony is that a coal plant puts out orders of magnitude less particulates per heat generated by the electricity than wood stoves do.

So they want to jack up electricity ("skyrocket" Obama said) and they realize that this will drive lots more people to wood stoves. So this is a step against that. All driven by liberals and zealots. Still, it would help that Forbes gets its facts correct.

72 posted on 02/03/2014 5:24:15 PM PST by palmer (don't feed the bears)
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To: dynachrome

What about buffalo dung?


73 posted on 02/03/2014 5:24:32 PM PST by huldah1776
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To: riri
"Of course it was going to affect rural people. That was always the intention.

Indeed.

Just like the tanning booth tax that Obama initiated.

What category of people go to tanning booths?

Answer-the people the Administration want to nail.

74 posted on 02/03/2014 5:27:20 PM PST by SnuffaBolshevik
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To: Neil E. Wright

I heat my humble home with wood.
Been doin it a long time.

If the federalies try to shut me down, I might be heating it with spent heat leftover from gunpowder rounds!!


75 posted on 02/03/2014 5:27:39 PM PST by MountainDad (Support your local Militia)
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To: dynachrome

I think it’s pretty clear that they are trying hard not to ban “fire”. If they banned an outdoor “chiminea” they would basically be banning “fire”. Even a primitive bureaucrat at the EPA would realize that is impossible.


76 posted on 02/03/2014 5:29:30 PM PST by palmer (don't feed the bears)
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To: dynachrome

burning wood would come under the ‘life’ portion of ‘life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness’.

these people in our govt need to be evicted and their idiotic bs needs to be ripped from any federal regulations


77 posted on 02/03/2014 5:32:13 PM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: palmer

I dunno. It would turn out like the war on drugs, I imagine.


78 posted on 02/03/2014 5:32:25 PM PST by dynachrome (Vertrou in God en die Mauser)
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To: Amendment10
"And what's even worse is that the states have never delegated to Congress, via the Constitution, the specific power to regulate the environment. So corrupt Congress is actually delegating regulatory powers to third parties that it doesn't have to begin with."

Yes, so these actions and authorities are illegal, but we have moved beyond a nation of laws. The old truism of Might makes Right is now in effect. In the final analysis the Feds have more and bigger guns, whether they fire real bullets or paper ones through the IRS, EPA, FCC, FAA or whoever. If there is not an epiphany in 2014 and the direction of the GOPe, I despair that any solution will come from within the system.

79 posted on 02/03/2014 5:33:41 PM PST by Truth29
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To: Kartographer

Ping.


80 posted on 02/03/2014 5:34:19 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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