Posted on 01/19/2014 11:09:43 AM PST by Dallas59
This is the first picture of nun and new mother Roxana Rodriguez.
The 33-year-old woman, a nun with the order of the Little Disciples of Jesus, stunned her mother superior and local church chiefs after giving birth last week to a baby boy which she has called Francis, in honour of the current Pope.
Sister Roxana initially claimed to have no idea that she was pregnant and thought her labour pains were 'stomach cramps' when an ambulance rushed her to hospital in severe pain after being called by fellow nuns when she collapsed at her nunnery.
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From the linked article:
Massimo Casciani, spokesman for the local bishop of Rieti, monsignor Delio Lucarelli, said: 'At some point the bishop will visit the nun but at the moment he has not yet seen here.
'We shall be investigating the circumstances behind - the child could be the fruit of a consensual rapport but it could also have been as a result of violence. That's why we need to investigate properly.'
Correct
“What? There is no probation against marriage just the opposite”
Probation?
autocorrect
There’s very little evidence that Socrates existed.
I think Sister Roxanna needs a new career path. :-)
“...publicans and prostitutes.”
Both providing essentially the same service since time immemorial.
“as I know from past experience HOE these threads turn out”
Imus? is that you?
Just kidding, hope you find your answers between the humor:)
//Post please.
Do your own homework, please.//
I have and your claim of documentation doesn’t exist. You made the claim you back it up.
I have done a lot of research on Mary Magdalene probably much more than you, but nothing Christian says that Jesus ‘consorted’ (in an intimate sense) with her and many don’t believe she was really a prostitute. BTW, fiction is not a source of fact. No wonder you are confused.
In short, you do YOUR homework or stop making comments you can’t back up.
//I spent close to two decades (involuntarily) in a Southern Baptist church and even I can recall those sermon topics. //
Apparently from your comments, you weren’t paying attention.
If you only meant associating then you would not have posted the conclusion regarding celibacy.
It would seem you have been backed into a corner and are trying to move the goal posts.
//No. You would have to have been male, born and existed on this planet to human parents and lived to or beyond the age of puberty.//
Like I posted above, there is plenty of evidence for the physical existence of Jesus on Nazareth - a ‘real man’. He was male, born, and had two parents and lived to adulthood. So by your own definition Jesus was a ‘real man’.
From the limited visibility in the picture provided, it looks like she might have been overweight already. If so she likely had PCOS or other hormonal disruption. It doesn’t completely rule out pregnancy happening but it does rule out the ‘she had to have known because of her missed periods’. I have a friend with PCOS who literally has only 1 or 2 periods per year. She also has central abdominal obesity. So it’t not like she would really noticed an ‘addition’ of 15 or 20lbs to her midsection. She fluctuates that much weight wise all the time.
If nuns refuse to admit women who’ve had sex prior to joining there won’t be very many nuns going forward. Maybe the orders should make the applicants tinkle on a stick to make sure they’re not pg already.
I’ve had 8
I agree they are wrong but they still teach it (Mormons).
And there was ‘celibate’ marriage, very popular in Late Antiquity, they were couples who chose to be celibate within the confines of a legal marriage, either out of religious observation or the marriage was arranged for political views.
You can be married and still be celibate, they are not mutually exclusive.
I have taken entire classes on the subject. I disagree with the need for clerical celibacy but understand why it was done.
I’ll check out the book, however you are still incorrect about there not being celibate marriages (also called chaste marriages) in History. It was also addressed in the Theodisian code You may want to read some of these links.
https://kclpure.kcl.ac.uk/portal/files/2926141/397158.pdf
http://www.amazon.com/Celibate-Marriages-Antique-Byzantine-Hagiography/dp/1441115250
Abstract from a good friend of mine -
http://jfh.sagepub.com/content/32/4/343.abstract
I can locate other sources but am away from my library at the moment.
It is from what I have seen, I am talking rank and file laity, not scholars. I know several Catholic scholars as a Medievalist.
I am not wrong about the verse, the context is clear and you were the one who posted that verse (and the dig at Protestants which was uncalled for) regarding the topic. Perhaps you should choose your words more carefully in the future.
Yet I am willing to bet he believes he existed. SMH
Being obese or missing periods might obscure a pregnancy in early months, but no way could either condition disguise a full-term pregnancy.
No way.
That growing baby causes many more changes than those. And he doesn’t just nap quietly in there.
Speaking from experience.
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I didn't either, but after years of working with people with all sorts of emotional and intellectual abilities, I decided that the monastery and the convent are wonderful things for people who cannot, for various reasons, have full marital and child connections but who would do well in a congregant setting where they can do their part toward the whole.
Marriage and family is not for everyone.
I would agree with that. She may not have knows she was pregnant when she took her vows, but she should have come clean before she gave birth.
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