Posted on 01/03/2014 7:02:40 AM PST by aimhigh
It’s a debate that will surely end with a Big Bang.
Bill Nye “The Science Guy” will square off with Ken Ham, the founder of the Kentucky Creation Museum, in a February discussion on the subject of teaching children evolution.
The spiritual showdown, which is unlikely to with either man relinquishing their firmly-held beliefs, will take place on Ham’s home turf of Petersburg, Ky. “Having the opportunity to hold a cordial but spirited debate with such a well-known personality who is admired by so many young people will help bring the creation-evolution issue to the attention of many more people, including youngsters,” Ham said in a statement.
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“Bill Nye really doesn't understand science,” Ham said in the video, without a shred of irony. “Bill Nye also has an agenda to teach children not to believe in God.”
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True, since we’re relying on our senses, all observation is in some ways “indirect”. However, most scientific observation is a heck of a lot more direct, immediate, and replicable than looking at starlight we think was produced millions or billions of years ago.
Well, one clear difference is that we can experimentally verify that the light which hits our eyes from the sun really left the sun eight minutes ago. We can’t do that for light from distant stars, so all of our observations based on those sources remain qualified by our unverified speculations as to their source.
That's the equivalent of throwing up your hands and saying, "It's too complicated for me! It must be magic!"
Oh, believe me, the creationist guy ranks so low the science meter, that it’s almost a waste of time even having to point it out. ;)
I don’t know this guy, but yes. In general that’s the case.
Yet here at FR folks like who make comments like doodle’s are quite defensive.
I think it gives away what side of the culture war they are on.
Bill Nye and his like masquerading as representatives of science do a lot more harm to science than do self identified creationists making their arguments.
I didn't realize the line between defensive and mocking was that fine.
Bill Nye and his like masquerading as representatives of science do a lot more harm to science than do self identified creationists making their arguments.
"Self identified creationists" who want people to think there is actual science backing up their claims. That's the funny part.
This is an interesting discovery you've made.
Tell me then, what is the threshold for us being able to experimentally verify light sources? I assume it is somewhere between 93 million and a billion light years. What is the exact distance?
Should read: “93 million miles and a billion light years”
“This is an interesting discovery you’ve made.”
What discovery? That we don’t have the ability to travel to distant stars to conduct experiments in their proximity? I think that’s common knowledge.
“Tell me then, what is the threshold for us being able to experimentally verify light sources?”
The threshold is the practical limit to our ability to conduct the experiment, not some set distance.
OK, what is the practical limit?
Let's take Alpha Centauri. Is measuring the distance between here and there a practical experiment?
There has to be some set distance that the experiment no longer becomes practical. Please share that distance.
“There has to be some set distance that the experiment no longer becomes practical. Please share that distance.”
Well, the furthest we’ve been able to get is just to the edge of our own solar system, so right now, that’s the limit.
“Let’s take Alpha Centauri. Is measuring the distance between here and there a practical experiment?”
Measuring distance and verifying the source of light would be two entirely different setups. One could easily be done from a great distance, but for the other, you would need proximity.
OK, so just to be clear, scientists are only speculating on the distance to Alpha Centauri, is that correct? And in order to measure distance, you must be able to send a spacecraft there?
What existed before the “Big Bang”? Into WHAT is the Universe expanding? There has ALWAYS been SOMETHING. Where did it come from except “God created the heavens and the Earth”?
Lemaitre called it the primordial atom.
I’ll trust God and put my faith in his Word. You can trust in science. Science can’t explain Heaven and Hell. Science can’t explain everything I believe. Belief in the certainty of science means nothing to God.
“OK, so just to be clear, scientists are only speculating on the distance to Alpha Centauri, is that correct? And in order to measure distance, you must be able to send a spacecraft there?”
What? No, that’s pretty much the opposite of what I just said.
OK, well, I thought we were talking about measuring the distance between objects. Have a nice day.
I think he means you can measure the distance to Alpha Centauri, but you couldn’t prove its light was coming from there, which is an odd thing to say
Oh yes we do. The One Who is eternal certainly knows. I'm sticking with His account.
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