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Danger Lurking in Duck Dynasty Debacle
Scott Lively Ministries ^ | December 21, 2013 | Dr. Scott Lively

Posted on 12/26/2013 1:32:23 PM PST by fwdude

Memo to Pro-Family Leaders and Activists

The backlash against GLAAD and A&E over the firing of Phil Robertson while encouraging, has also exposed a serious danger lurking in the way some conservatives are looking to homosexuals for support for our position. Laura Ingram had some “gay” writer on her show, and let him get away with characterizing Phil Robertson‘s comments as bigotry. Lots of pro-family people are quoting Brandon Ambrosino’s article in Time http://ideas.time.com/2013/12/19/the-duck-dynasty-fiasco-says-more-about-our-bigotry-than-phils/and open lesbian Camille Paglia has also written a widely distributed piece.

I’m not against these people speaking their minds just because I oppose their lifestyle, but I am against the phenomenon of pro-family people thinking they are bolstering our arguments by using unrepentant “gays” as sources.

First, we never hear from these supposedly “conservative” or “moderate” homosexuals unless it’s to do damage control to protect their agenda (which is to fully legitimize homosexuality in society). We saw the same thing occur in 2012 when the “liberal” homosexual attack on Chic-Fil-A in 2012 sparked a national backlash. Whenever the more progressive wing of the “gay” movement goes too fast and threatens the success of the LGBT marketing strategy, the “conservatives” jump into the spotlight to soothe the public nerves. Why should we help them accomplish that?

Second, we need to recognize that the supposed “liberal” vs. “conservative” polarity in the homosexual alliance is a cleverly crafted illusion to infiltrate the pro-family movement. Of course there are some genuine political and ideological differences among homosexuals, but do not deceived, these cosmetic differences are all subsumed within the common goal of conquest of Christian civilization.

We must remember that the “gay” movement is a single, united cult of cultural Marxists, following the Hegelian thesis-antithesis-synthesis dialectic.

Our thesis is the truth of the Bible: homosexuality is condemned by God as an abomination.

Their anti-thesis is that homosexuality is good and normal.

Any “synthesis” of these two contradictory premises is abandonment of the thesis and an outright rejection of the truth of God. “What fellowship hath Christ with Belial?” asked Paul rhetorically in 2 Corinthians 6:15.

Our embrace of people like Tammy Bruce and Camille Paglia (as brilliant as the latter may be to quote on feminist issues) is the “synthesis” phase of the Hegelian dialectic and poisonous to our theology and agenda.

The rise of “conservative” homosexuals is a ruse to sucker us into endorsing “gay rights” in a slightly different form. Think about it for a moment. If these people were truly on our side politically or ideologically they would consider their homosexual inclinations a private matter and a challenge to be overcome, and never publicly identify as “gay.”

Lets have compassion for homosexuals but never align ourselves with them politically or give them a platform to legitimize their lifestyle. Anyone who self-identifies as a unrepentant homosexual is an enemy of the truth, no matter how “conservative” they may sound. Love them as lost sheep, but hate the false premise they live their lives by.

Remember, the Marxist dialectic was taught as a dance to Soviet children: two steps forward, one step back equals a net gain of one step. The “progressive” homosexual agenda represents the two steps forward. The “conservative” homosexual “counter-faction” is one step back. When we endorse “conservative gays” we are helping the entire “gay” movement to advance at the expense of the Bible. Lets not dance with the devil!


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Strong language from Scott Lively, but he is spot on.

"...we never hear from these supposedly 'conservative' or 'moderate' homosexuals unless it’s to do damage control to protect their agenda..."

This has been my contention from the start. We should NEVER accept the support of activist homosexuals because their motive is ALWAYS self-preservation of their agenda, never on principle.

1 posted on 12/26/2013 1:32:23 PM PST by fwdude
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To: fwdude
I’m not against these people speaking their minds just because I oppose their lifestyle, but I am against the phenomenon of pro-family people thinking they are bolstering our arguments by using unrepentant “gays” as sources.

Amen!

2 posted on 12/26/2013 1:34:17 PM PST by pgkdan
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"I’m not against these people speaking their minds just because I oppose their lifestyle, but I am against the phenomenon of pro-family people thinking they are bolstering our arguments by using unrepentant “gays” as sources."

What does ones' sexuality have to do with their opinion? What difference does ones' sexual orientation have to do with ANYTHING? Why does it even enter the conversation?

3 posted on 12/26/2013 1:37:30 PM PST by cincinnati65
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To: pgkdan
The rise of “conservative” homosexuals is a ruse to sucker us into endorsing “gay rights” in a slightly different form. Think about it for a moment. If these people were truly on our side politically or ideologically they would consider their homosexual inclinations a private matter and a challenge to be overcome, and never publicly identify as “gay.”

Again I say...Amen! To claim to be a gay conservative is oxymoronic. It's why I don't trust Log Cabin Republicans. They put their 'gayness' in everyone's face and make it the center of their identity.

4 posted on 12/26/2013 1:38:26 PM PST by pgkdan
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To: fwdude

ALSO ... what we need more of is the spread of God’s word on the matter!

Although other parts of Scripture have been quoted on this Duck Dynasty issue with A&E, the following in Romans, chapter 1, is a key part and understanding ... as to how God’s wrath plays into this ... and why this is unique and that it is actually a judgement.

In Romans 1 ... it says

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.

17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “The just shall live by faith.”

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,

19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.

20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,

21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.

22 Professing to be wise, they became fools,

23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.

24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves,

25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature.

27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting;

29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers,

30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful;

32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.

THAT would certainly be “dynamite” to LGBT-types ... :-) ...

I’m sure they are “foaming at the mouth” at this part ...

For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness ...


5 posted on 12/26/2013 1:39:21 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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Also, in reference to what someone else said about homosexuality being another sin - just like all the sins listed in the Bible ... I’ll have to point out that it’s QUITE UNIQUE in comparison to other sins. I said the following in another posting elsewhere ... AND ... this shows how God’s wrath plays into it.

The unique thing about what God said in Romans 1 — is that this particular sin is actually a “judgement” from God in that He has them debasing themselves in such a way. THIS (what the LGBTs promote) is actually God’s judgement upon them in that they are to do these things to themselves. They, therefore, receive god’s judgement in the “here and now” for clearly rejecting what god has made clear to the,.

SO ... while these are all sins - fornication, adultery, thieving, drunkenness, slandering, swindling - and will not be allowed into Heaven ... none of these are, in and of themselves - a condition which God imposes upon people for their rejection of what God has made clear to them,

On the other hand — the LGBT lifestyle is a specific condition and judgement of God Himself - upon these people,

AND THEREFORE, God has put upon them the absolute worst of the worst sin possible in a human being - in order to thoroughly DEBASE them to the ultimate extent in THIS LIFE, in the HERE AND NOW and not upon “Judgement Day”.

LGBT-people are a “walking advertisement” of God thoroughly debasing someone to the maximum extent possible, in a human being. They are walking around with a “neon flashing sign” — saying — “Look at me! God has not even waited until Judgement Day to judge me!”


6 posted on 12/26/2013 1:40:04 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: fwdude

Huh? I thought Phil was back on the show?


7 posted on 12/26/2013 1:40:53 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: Star Traveler

Sexual sin is also describe by Paul, speaking by the Holy Spirit of God, as a unique sin in that it is a sin against one’s own body, which was designed to be a true Temple of God.


8 posted on 12/26/2013 1:42:34 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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Huh? I thought Phil was back on the show?

Even if true, that's not relevant to what this piece is about. It's about falling for the trap of accepting support from avowed, activist homosexuals.

9 posted on 12/26/2013 1:44:03 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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Interesting how homosexuals have apparently gotten so many sites classified as “Unsafe,” and you get a big warning if you try to open it.


10 posted on 12/26/2013 1:44:05 PM PST by kaehurowing
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To: colorado tanker

He is only in episodes that were taped before his suspension. New episodes will supposedly be done without him.


11 posted on 12/26/2013 1:47:17 PM PST by Bob
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To: fwdude
My contribution: Stamp out use of the word "homophobe" and all its variations. It automatically assumes that everybody who doesn't like homosexuality is in fear of it. It dismisses people who disagree with them as being not-right-in-the-head.
12 posted on 12/26/2013 1:47:56 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: pgkdan

It enters the conversation very quickly if you have children being told by their teachers that having sex with someone of the same gender is perfectly fine.

It enters the conversation when you are intimidated into keeping your opinion to yourself when the subject comes up because the bullying tactics of the GayKK don’t allow you to believe what your Bible says. Just ask that Miss America contestant - SHE didn’t bring it into the conversation, THEY did, to set her up.

The homosexual mafia has gotten so confident as of late, that they are orchestrating the subject being brought up for the sole purpose of showing everyone what will happen if they dare to utter disapproval of their practices. They are tyrants.


13 posted on 12/26/2013 1:52:39 PM PST by JudyinCanada
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Interesting how homosexuals have apparently gotten so many sites classified as “Unsafe,” and you get a big warning if you try to open it.

Huh. So did I. "Unsafe for Children." Right...I just chucked WOT.

14 posted on 12/26/2013 1:52:46 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Cyber Liberty

Well said.
I’m not at all afraid of homosexuals.
I just don’t agree with them.
That’s not a phobia at all.


15 posted on 12/26/2013 1:53:25 PM PST by nascarnation (Wish everyone see a "Gay Kwanzaa")
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To: Star Traveler
Very interesting Scriptural references. There are a number of places in Scripture where homosexuality isn't just referred to as a "sin," but as a punishment laid on people for their sinfulness. That's cause for some serious reflection in this day and age, folks.
16 posted on 12/26/2013 1:54:43 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: fwdude

Homosexual activists probably have the same agenda as the left who are using the “average” homosexual as a pawn - criminalizing Christianity.

The hatred is visceral among the activists and the left.


17 posted on 12/26/2013 1:54:54 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: nascarnation

thx. I never let anybody get away with that when I’m speaking with them. Short response: “Please choose another pejorative, because I don’t think they fear [fill in the blank].”


18 posted on 12/26/2013 1:57:09 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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To: Bob

OK. I saw a post last week that said he was going to start taping the next season.


19 posted on 12/26/2013 2:07:16 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: MrB
The hatred is visceral among the activists and the left.

Yes, and demonic.

20 posted on 12/26/2013 2:10:16 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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