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Why Bankers Created the Fed 100 Years Ago
The Market Oracle, UK ^ | 23 December, 2013 | Christopher_Westley

Posted on 12/24/2013 1:45:23 PM PST by Errant

The Democratic Party gained prominence in the first half of the nineteenth century as being the party that opposed the Second Bank of the United States. In the process, it tapped into an anti-state sentiment that proved so strong that we wouldn't see another like it until the next century.

Its adversaries were Whig politicians who defended the bank and its ability to grow the government and their own personal fortunes at the same time. They were, in fact, quite open about these arrangements. It was considered standard-operating procedure for Whig representatives to receive monetary compensation for their support of the Bank when leaving Congress. The Whig Daniel Webster even expected annual payments while in Congress. Once he complained to the Bank of the United States President Nicholas Biddle, “I believe my retainer has not been renewed or refreshed as usual. If it be wished that my relation to the Bank should be continued, it may be well to send me my usual retainer.”

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: banking; collapse; fed; inflation
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To: Toddsterpatriot; Pelham

Here’s a question. If China (or any foreign CB) purchases treasury bonds. What currency does it use to do so? US dollars right?


141 posted on 12/26/2013 10:46:32 PM PST by Errant
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To: Errant

They don’t publicly reveal their loans to individual banks because that sort of information is useful to shortsellers and can also result in bank runs.

Early in Fed history the Treasury held two chairs on the Open Market Committee and while that is no longer the case the Treasury should have access to the Fed’s internal numbers.


142 posted on 12/26/2013 10:53:25 PM PST by Pelham (Obamacare, the vanguard of Obammunism)
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To: Errant
Thanks, but I don't see any mention of income from loans to foreign banks and etc.

Those swaps were all unwound in late 2008, early 2009.

143 posted on 12/26/2013 10:53:37 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Science is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Errant
there is little of tangible value that is actually lost.

What's not true about that?

All of it. You deposit $1000 into a bank. They loan $900 to me. I default. Was anything of tangible value lost?

Tell me when you go to withdraw your $1000 and they only give you back $100. LOL!

144 posted on 12/26/2013 10:55:39 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Science is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Errant

Yes. When foreigners buy dollar denominated debt, they use dollars.


145 posted on 12/26/2013 10:56:37 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Science is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

I believe we were talking about fed loans and not mine.
They don’t seem to have as much of a problem generating cash as I would. :)


146 posted on 12/26/2013 11:01:50 PM PST by Errant
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Yes. When foreigners buy dollar denominated debt, they use dollars

Were do those dollars come from?

147 posted on 12/26/2013 11:02:59 PM PST by Errant
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To: Errant
believe we were talking about fed loans and not mine.

Griffin is talking about commercial bank lending, not Central Bank lending.

148 posted on 12/26/2013 11:03:21 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Science is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Errant
Were do those dollars come from?

The Japanese Central Bank, for example, buys dollars from Japanese corporations.

149 posted on 12/26/2013 11:04:45 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Science is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Those swaps were all unwound in late 2008, early 2009.

Did the Fed return the interest earned on those loans to the treasury, less expenses?

150 posted on 12/26/2013 11:05:39 PM PST by Errant
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To: Errant

Not loans, swaps. And yes.


151 posted on 12/26/2013 11:06:53 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Science is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Pelham

By law there are a number of things they are prohibited from revealing. Transactions with foreign banks being just one. That kind of makes me wonder why that is.


152 posted on 12/26/2013 11:08:28 PM PST by Errant
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To: Toddsterpatriot
The Japanese Central Bank, for example, buys dollars from Japanese corporations.

Cutting to the chase, every dollar of debt issued by treasury has to be purchased with dollars generated (at one time or another) by the Fed then?

153 posted on 12/26/2013 11:12:39 PM PST by Errant
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Not loans, swaps. And yes.

Ok, swaps. But I still have to wonder about the law which prohibits the Fed from reveling these transactions - even from the Congress. Is the treasury exempt from the law?

154 posted on 12/26/2013 11:16:15 PM PST by Errant
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To: Errant
every dollar of debt issued by treasury has to be purchased with dollars generated (at one time or another) by the Fed then?

Why? The Fed's balance sheet is about $4 trillion. Treasury debt is about $17 trillion.

155 posted on 12/26/2013 11:19:40 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Science is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Errant

What law? Link?


156 posted on 12/26/2013 11:20:00 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Science is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot; Pelham

Here is another question: For every dollar (Federal Reserve Note) that the Fed generates, how much does the Fed earn for generating that single dollar note from cradle to grave?


157 posted on 12/26/2013 11:21:14 PM PST by Errant
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To: Toddsterpatriot
The Fed's balance sheet is about $4 trillion.

Agree, the rest of the 17T being from various other sources. As you said, must use dollars to purchase the debt - no? Since the Fed has the keys to the printing press, there would be no need for them to acquire dollars. But the Fed buying debt is a "recent" development (i.e. QE).

The remainder though (approximately 13T) was purchased using US dollars?

158 posted on 12/26/2013 11:25:13 PM PST by Errant
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To: Toddsterpatriot
What law? Link?

Upstream at Post #53: http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/3105037/posts?page=53#53

159 posted on 12/26/2013 11:27:32 PM PST by Errant
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To: Pelham

You omit that the critters who inhabit the Fed live a gold plated existence prior to all profits being remitted to the Treasury. That member banks get a yearly dividend of 6% on paid in capital stock

http://www.federalreserve.gov/aboutthefed/section7.htm

Anyways the NY Fed is where it all goes down and the largest American banks have stock in and control that pos. The primary dealer banks control the NY Fed that they do biz with every day

http://www.globalresearch.ca/who-owns-the-federal-reserve/10489


160 posted on 12/26/2013 11:57:07 PM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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